Aviation Geeks unite?! Anybody else care about planes here?
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Why is that?
So sort of like an airline version of Scotty is that right?
Give him a Bat'leth
the F-35 has hit another snag - this time it's the engines where turbine blades are wearing much quicker than originally intended.
Combine this with the turn around time for an engine rebuild (was 200+ days but adding an extra shift has brought that time down) and you've got a whole pile of current generation fighters sitting around with empty tailpipes.
Sure it's combat readiness is better than the F-22s (50%) but it's level pegging with the F-15s and F-16s which are much older designs and that's pretty bad for new fighter that's rolling of the production lines.
There was second engine design proposed for the JSF but that was canned in cost saving measure.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...u-s-air-force-f-35s-dont-have-working-engines
There's also a linked article that a large number of the first block F-35A's could be heading for the boneyard. Combination of the cost to upgrade them combined with a big drop in the per unit cost of the 4th Block units which already come current spec makes the upgrade process less cost effective.
Combine this with the turn around time for an engine rebuild (was 200+ days but adding an extra shift has brought that time down) and you've got a whole pile of current generation fighters sitting around with empty tailpipes.
Sure it's combat readiness is better than the F-22s (50%) but it's level pegging with the F-15s and F-16s which are much older designs and that's pretty bad for new fighter that's rolling of the production lines.
There was second engine design proposed for the JSF but that was canned in cost saving measure.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...u-s-air-force-f-35s-dont-have-working-engines
There's also a linked article that a large number of the first block F-35A's could be heading for the boneyard. Combination of the cost to upgrade them combined with a big drop in the per unit cost of the 4th Block units which already come current spec makes the upgrade process less cost effective.
here's a weird one. A ground effect vehicle like the Ekranoplane
A very interesting home build
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...sophisticated-stol-aircraft-ever-built.37534/
RLV history
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...-past-amsci-science-dawn-have-region-etc.315/
Lifting bodies
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...es-start-asset-prime-fdl-x-24-etc.722/page-11
ARA press has a new bok on Dyna Soar
http://www.arapress.com/dyna-soar-book/
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/dynasoar.3052/page-9
I really don't get Europe's space efforts...
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/ariane-ultimate.37336/
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2021/05/22/ariane-ultimate-project-looks-toward-launchers-of-2040/
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...sophisticated-stol-aircraft-ever-built.37534/
RLV history
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...-past-amsci-science-dawn-have-region-etc.315/
Lifting bodies
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...es-start-asset-prime-fdl-x-24-etc.722/page-11
ARA press has a new bok on Dyna Soar
http://www.arapress.com/dyna-soar-book/
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/dynasoar.3052/page-9
I really don't get Europe's space efforts...
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/ariane-ultimate.37336/
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2021/05/22/ariane-ultimate-project-looks-toward-launchers-of-2040/
Russia unveiled its newest stealth fighter, a cheaper version of the SU 57, called Checkmate.
It's a design aimed primarily at export and knowing Russia it'll be affordable and capable, putting the US under pressure ( in theory) due to their extremely costly 5th generation designs, that still have noticeable technical problems.
I wonder, in a theoretical war scenario, if the hyped up US F-35s could stand against a fleet of russian designs, that could put 2 or even 3 planes of the same generation into the air for the price 1 US model. Is the US model so much more advanced it'll still be able to deal with superior numbers at only slightly less quality ( i'm assuming, exact capabilities are secret of course).
Personally i believe the US fell into the elite design trap in what i personally call the Nazi design error. Back in WW2 the Nazis started off with sensible military machine designs, much more advanced that what their neighbors had, which was also a contributor to the success of the Blitzkrieg campaign. Later in the war they started to design superweapons - heavy tanks and such that had to be rushed into the field before the kinks were worked out and the effect was that most of the losses stemmed from technical breakdowns and not enemy action. Those that worked were far less in number so especially the Soviets were able to swarm a german Kingtiger or any of the heavy designs with multiple tanks and sooner or later that german tank was done.
I see this happening with US tech too, especially aircraft. Super awesome designs and capabilities but in reality a maintenance and production nightmare, that spends more time in the shop than actually doing something. It's a political prestige object rather than a practical weapon of war.
^^ It is always been that way, for example tanks, the T-54/55 series, there were between 80 and 100,000 of those things built, the M60 Patton for example 15,000 Leopard 1 less than 4800 and so on.
Same thing with the super carrier, of course they're really advanced and all but on a number of occasions a diesel/electric sub has "sunk" them.
In the past quite a lot of countries tried this method, have a few superweapons to defeat many "inferior" designs, Japan with the Yamato's comes to mind as well.
Same thing with the super carrier, of course they're really advanced and all but on a number of occasions a diesel/electric sub has "sunk" them.
In the past quite a lot of countries tried this method, have a few superweapons to defeat many "inferior" designs, Japan with the Yamato's comes to mind as well.
The chinese are supposedly unavailing one shortly as well.
Though the question is how close to serial number production are both designs.
All of this consistently brings back this old story:
https://lynceans.org/all-posts/is-arthur-c-clarkes-1953-short-story-superiority-a-parable-for-today/
https://lynceans.org/all-posts/is-arthur-c-clarkes-1953-short-story-superiority-a-parable-for-today/
Looks like a Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk vanity project.
The problem with Japan during WW2 was that the Yamato was used more as a symbol than in actual battle.
The Japanese refused to take it out into battle for fear of losing the Yamato, so it literally was nick named the "Hotel Yamato" since the sailors on board got the best food and did nothing but sit in the harbor more often than not.
By the time the Admirals considered using it, the war was lost and there wasn't much they could do with the Yamato to change the tide of war.
We talk about this at F-16.net here:
The US Government screwed up their planning for the # of spare engines needed.
https://www.airforcemag.com/article/make-or-break-time-for-the-f-35/
The F135 engine pipeline has a cushion of only about 12 percent spare engines and modules, rather than the 25 to 30 percent needed.
And the US government needs to properly fund more maintenance depots to get engine rebuild turn around times to be faster.
The exact same US Government that awarded a sole supplier for "Engines" to save costs on development, yet you're blaming contractors for bad US Government program management.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...u-s-air-force-f-35s-dont-have-working-engines
You wanted the F-35 to become cheaper, there are consequences to doing that compared to retro-fitting a earlier design.
Remember, congress advocated for parallel testing and early mass building to get early pilot/maintainer training and sustainment #'s up.
That's part of the cost consequences of getting training for Pilots & the support staff with proper planes on earlier hardware.
When the costs come down, retro-fitting older planes looks financially bad compared to brand new in spec planes with that latest Block variant.
Hmm.. rediscovered one of the aircraft I read an article about when I was a kid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCASO_Trident
Another experimental one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_1500_Griffon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCASO_Trident
Another experimental one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_1500_Griffon
Strange they went for the straight edge wing with the Trident - perhaps they didn't think they could do an angled or delta wing with the engines at the edge.
Was thinking there was an aircraft with a delta wing and engines are the tips but now think that was in a Gerry Anderson TV series
Strange they went for the straight edge wing with the Trident - perhaps they didn't think they could do an angled or delta wing with the engines at the edge.
Was thinking there was an aircraft with a delta wing and engines are the tips but now think that was in a Gerry Anderson TV series
Probaby was a Gerry Anderson thing they did love the weird.
Did find this.... But not sure of those are missiles or engines on the wingtips here
https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/aircraft-systems/canards/
Airbus is doing something
https://www.wired.com/story/airbus-maveric-blended-wing-jet/
And found this...
CL400 Suntan
Less drag so it seems, the F-104 also has straight (but trapezoid) wings and that thing is really fast as well.
