What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[fireproof78]

Riker's job was to help ensure efficient operation of the ship. Creating a fourth shift from scratch and having to rely on it immediately undoubtedly reduced efficiency to levels unsuitable for combat. If Riker hadn't warned Jellico about this, he would have been derelict in his duty.

I'm not saying he shouldn't have warned him at all.

 

[Paul755]

"An assist?"

There was no Picard. Riker planned and directed the kidnapping of Locutus, directs Crusher and Data to access and retrieve information from Locutus about the Borg's vulnerabilities, then orders him to plant a directive in the Borg group consciousness using Locutus as the conduit. As Data attempts to do so, Locutus finally utters one word, "Sleep," which Data correctly intuits to be a suggestion of the command that should be implanted.

You can call that "an assist from Picard" in order to diminish what Riker and his crew accomplished if you like, but as I already said, you're dancing around what happened in an attempt to make Jellico look like something other than an insecure idiot.

Not Ronnie Cox's fault, but the writers. Trek often ignores the ongoing context of its stories in order to have something happen and people behave in some unlikely way for a single episode, and then just as quickly forgets that one, too.

I wasn’t being serious.

Through most of Chain of Command II. He came up with an effective plan for defeating the Cardassians, he used the skills of his crew, and he saved Minos Corva and even got Picard back without having to sacrifice a system for him. And, he showed that he had no prejudice against androids (Data in red uniform), he expected his bridge crew to dress the part (Troi in blue uniform), he connected with Geordi a bit, and he swallowed his pride for the greater good with Riker.

Yes, he was a jerk. Everything Riker said about him was pretty much dead accurate. But he wasn't completely hopeless.



Riker's job was to help ensure efficient operation of the ship. Creating a fourth shift from scratch and having to rely on it immediately undoubtedly reduced efficiency to levels unsuitable for combat. If Riker hadn't warned Jellico about this, he would have been derelict in his duty.

Jellico was a jerk but most everything he did was fine. Arguably the biggest mistake he made was not being Picard.

 

[Oddish]

Jellico was a jerk but most everything he did was fine. Arguably the biggest mistake he made was not being Picard.

Well, how DARE he not be Picard!

 

[cooleddie74]

His demand that Deanna wear a full Starfleet duty uniform was a bit much. Picard was one of the most by-the-rules Captains in Starfleet and he was fine with Troi not wearing a full uniform in the line of duty.

Deanna did her job and must have been doing it so well that Picard kept her as a bridge officer for the entire 7-1/2 years the Enterprise-D was under his command. Jellico getting all snotty about his senior officers requiring a full uniform was one of his dickiest moments.

 

[GNDN18]

His demand that Deanna wear a full Starfleet duty uniform was a bit much. Picard was one of the most by-the-rules Captains in Starfleet and he was fine with Troi not wearing a full uniform in the line of duty.

Deanna did her job and must have been doing it so well that Picard kept her as a bridge officer for the entire 7-1/2 years the Enterprise-D was under his command. Jellico getting all snotty about his senior officers requiring a full uniform was one of his dickiest moments.

- Where are your leggings?
- Leggings?

Well- well, hell, captain, sir,
I'm a counselor.

You're a Star Fleet Officer.
$20 fine.

 

[Farscape One]

While it was a rather dick move, I agree that while on duty, or at least while on the bridge, a standard uniform should be worn. Frankly, I thought Troi looked even better in the uniform.

While on this subject, T'Pol should have worn one in season 4 once she was given a Starfleet commission. We saw her in one in "TWILIGHT"... a shame it was the only time.

 

[plynch]

Different leaders all do things differently. In the fleet, you would have had different captains several times by now and known that they vary in what they want and how they operate. "Wear a uniform? Yes, sir."

OTOH, a matter of efficiency like four watches, it's totally Riker's job to discretely raise a dissension. Then back the captain when he makes his or her final decision.

 

[Oddish]

I agree that while on duty, or at least while on the bridge, a standard uniform should be worn.

Definitely. There's nothing wrong with expecting your bridge crew to actually dress like officers.

Frankly, I thought Troi looked even better in the uniform.

A lot of people did, I think. That's why she continued to wear it after Jellico was long gone.

T'Pol should have worn one in season 4 once she was given a Starfleet commission.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. Indeed, my opinion is that once she resigned from the Vulcan military, she should have received a field commission from Starfleet and worn standard uniform. Linda Park did, and she looked fine in it.

DS9 and pre-Seven Voyager had the best female costume policies by far.

 

[Henoch]

T'Pol needed to wear her vulcan long johns to protect her from the intolerably cold conditions on the ship.

 

[Rhodo]

I like Keiko O'Brien.

I don't think any future Trek should directly feature any characters from TOS. We don't need to constantly legitimize new Trek by dragging TOS along. TNG almost had to do that at the time because it was having a rocky start as the second series - now, it's just unnecessary. Also, it's annoying as a TOS fan to be treated like I don't know the full story on my favorite character, just because I haven't watched the latest whatever.

 

[1001001]

I like Keiko O'Brien.

I don't think any future Trek should directly feature any characters from TOS. We don't need to constantly legitimize new Trek by dragging TOS along. TNG almost had to do that at the time because it was having a rocky start as the second series - now, it's just unnecessary. Also, it's annoying as a TOS fan to be treated like I don't know the full story on my favorite character, just because I haven't watched the latest whatever.

You’re going to love SNW…

 

[Rhodo]

You’re going to love SNW…

See? I even forgot SNW existed. I'm not here to rail against it, I don't have that much energy. I just wish it, and prequels in general, weren't a thing. I can't think of any situation where your hands are creatively tied more severely than trying to write for a prequel.

 

[fireproof78]

His demand that Deanna wear a full Starfleet duty uniform was a bit much. Picard was one of the most by-the-rules Captains in Starfleet and he was fine with Troi not wearing a full uniform in the line of duty.

Deanna did her job and must have been doing it so well that Picard kept her as a bridge officer for the entire 7-1/2 years the Enterprise-D was under his command. Jellico getting all snotty about his senior officers requiring a full uniform was one of his dickiest moments.

No, not really.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yes, really. And I get that different commanders have different aesthetic styles. But to each their own.

 

[fireproof78]

Yes, really. And I get that different commanders have different aesthetic styles. But to each their own.

I mean, I would say shifting the duty rotation is more of a dick move as that was a deliberate change to Picard's style over asking for a uniform of the day change.

 

[cooleddie74]

Fair point. But the Deanna thing is a close second.

 

[Orphalesion]

he expected his bridge crew to dress the part (Troi in blue uniform),

That's not competence, though. That's just one of those things he changed simple because he wanted it that way. When it comes down to it there was no inherent advantage or disadvantage of the ship's therapist wearing a uniform, and I say that as somebody who thinks that Troi should always have been in uniform.
Whether someone likes it or not, the option for the counselor to wear civilian clothing (at the Captain's discretion) must have been part of Federation regulations, otherwise Troi would have never been dressed like that while on-duty.

Some of the rest you mentioned qualifies him, as Severaux calls it, minimally competent for what's expected of a guy in his position (really we're giving him points for talking to Geordi and recognizing Data as sapient? In the 24th century? And for eventually swallowing his ego and working with Riker?), marred by the fact that it was all intermingled with his pathological need to restructure the Enterprise during the worst time to restructure things.

 

[Paul755]

I don’t think she should have been a bridge officer to begin with. But if she is, I don’t think it’s a big ask for her not to wear her PJ’s while at her station.

It’s actually surprising Picard let her slide.

 

[fireproof78]

I don’t think she should have been a bridge officer to begin with. But if she is, I don’t think it’s a big ask for her not to wear her PJ’s while at her station.

It’s actually surprising Picard let her slide.

I feel a similar way. A uniform change to be in line with regulations isn't a big ask in my opinion. A shift change is different, but even still that is the commanding officer's prerogative. Not saying Jellico was the consumate officer but I feel like it's being made a bigger deal than it perhaps is, even by Riker. A commanding officer is allowed to do things within their command to suit their style of leadership.

 

[Paul755]

Agreed. Riker just has a shitty attitude from the jump because the Admiral gave the Enterprise to Jellico instead of him.

if the Captain wants a 4 shift rotation, even if it’s inefficient from your perspective, you discreetly point that out then carry on with his wishes.