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A Little Bit of Love For Diane Carey

Cake Is Eternal

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I’m rereading my two favorite Trek novels of all time, “Final Frontier” and “Best Destiny” by Diane Carey, for a project I’m working on, and I wanted to share some thoughts.
First of all, I have loved these two books since I was twelve years old. I loved the abridged audio versions beautifully brought to life by Jimmy Doohan’s sensitive performance. I loved discovering the books and all the wonderful things that had been abridged out. These books have always been MY Star Trek; although I loved all the other casts and crews of the other series, this era was my favorite.
I fell in love with the characterization of Captain Robert April as portrayed in these books, because here was a kind of manhood I had never seen or experienced for myself. Wise, gentle, so strong and courageous that he would put his own life on the line again and again, so devoted to duty that he would ignore his own well being and come up to the bridge for his crew, yet so tender hearted that he would be the first person on the deck comforting and nurturing the injured and the grieving. So patient with the absolutely intolerable Jimmy Kirk and the irascible George, but unshakable in his own convictions. So humble that he could let others lead, and could take advice from others, and yet when he led, he led with his heart and got yelled at by George Kirk for so doing. He abhorred violence in all its forms and yet accepted that sometimes in defense of his ship and crew it was the only way. In many ways, he is a twin brother to Captain Saru, and to Anson Mount’s Pike.
I do think that at the time these novels were written, the particular style of command and leadership that Captain April lived wasn’t quite the thing. These books were published in the era when TOS was all we had. We didn’t have the command styles of Picard and Sisko and Janeway to compare and contrast. In this era, every captain who wasn’t Kirk had a tendency to be portrayed as either criminally insane or criminally incompetent. At the time these books were published I don’t think Captain April’s command style was written with quite the respect it could have been. Diane Carey in both these books sets up the story so that George Kirk, as surrogate Jim Kirk, can take command. I think his command style is much better appreciated today, with the new era of Star Trek in which cowboy diplomacy isn’t the only way to be a good captain.
I do have some criticisms of the way the characters are portrayed however, much as I love and adore them. I found it quite jarring that Diane Carey wrote George Kirk in essence giving a history lesson lifted straight from an American textbook in his lecture on the history of the Enterprise. Here he is standing there in front of his Captain, who is an Englishman, talking about “the British” as though they were the enemy. I confess all I could hear when I reread that bit was Johnny Horton’s “Battle of New Orleans.” I wish I could tell Diane Carey that portraying an English character is so much more than just writing a man with a cute and funny accent, it’s writing a character with a completely un American point of view and world view. The political views she puts in the mouths of her characters are jarring enough; when she begins writing Star Trek, which is meant to be all inclusive, as American centric and all American and glorifying the military, I think that is problematic for Star Trek.
I do love her nautical background and I think that brings gravitas and realism to the books. It makes the day to day operations of Starfleet and the network of freighters and repair crews so much more tangible to the imagination. It’s also very Trek, because Trek was so deeply influenced by Hornblower.
I have real problems with the way she portrays women, in particular, Dr. Sarah Poole April. I think she’s a man’s woman and she doesn’t relate to women. I think it’s sad that the first CMO of the Enterprise, whom Dr. McCoy absolutely fell all over himself fangirling in “The Counterclock Incident” (TAS), who was there portrayed as a brilliant scientist and designer, was portrayed in Final Frontier as... well, almost a joke. The lady doctor turned veterinarian love interest. She should have been allowed to be so much more than that. I thought she was written as a first draft Pulaski and was meant to be a female Bones. I greatly prefer Greg Cox’s portrayal of her (all honor to his house) and the relationship between the two of them, one of great tenderness and mutual cherishing.
Although I don’t think she was comfortable writing women... that shows up in all her books... I think the way she wrote men, male friendship and bonding, was truly beautiful. She wrote Robert and George as two patently straight men who were absolutely comfortable demonstrating their care and concern for one another, their affection for one another, and their reliance upon one another. Two straight men who had no problem touching each other. Of course they expressed their friendship in nearly constant conflict and argument but there were some absolutely beautiful moments between them too. I thought they were drawn a bit too “bros before hoes” for my taste but a hetero male friendship between two people who face death together is a lovely thing to see in Trek (I’m looking at you, Julian and Miles).
I do think that Carey’s books would have been greatly improved if she had cut out the graphic gore and violence and replaced those passages with character development. There is just no need for paragraphs upon paragraphs of blood and guts.
I do love her creative use of language, her simile and metaphor. It’s fresh and surprising and makes you think twice.
All in all, I am deeply saddened that she apparently won’t be back to writing in the Trek universe. I would have loved for her to have written more about Robert and George. “She was a (wo)man, take her for all in all. We shall not look upon her like again.”
 
Carey's books could sometimes be a bit difficult to read. There is a heavy nautical feel to her books and her writing style is pretty unique.

I did enjoy her novel "First Frontier" quite a bit, which was co-written by a scientist.

Also, I liked the "Dreadnought" "Battlestations!" duology she wrote. That was a unique story in Star Trek fiction in that they are told from a first person perspective from the eyes of an original character, Lt. Piper. Carey did a really good job with those stories and she managed to avoid any Mary Sue pitfalls that could probably be easy to do when writing a story from that perspective.

I didn't care for some of her novelizations of episodes she did, particularly Enterprise: "Broken Bow" (the premiere episode). Her disdain for that episode comes out pretty clearly in the book. That usually doesn't make for a pleasant read when an author apparently hates the story they are writing. I'm actually surprised Pocketbooks published that one as it was without some editorial, um, adjustments.
 
I meant to reread "Fire Ship" after I spent some time volunteering on a tall ship a couple years ago to see if I had a new perspective on how Carey's own experiences sailing might've shaded her depiction of the ship that impresses Janeway, but I haven't gotten around to it. I don't intend to reread "Ship of the Line" to compare notes on our nautical experiences directly, I have my limits. :p
 
I meant to reread "Fire Ship" after I spent some time volunteering on a tall ship a couple years ago to see if I had a new perspective on how Carey's own experiences sailing might've shaded her depiction of the ship that impresses Janeway, but I haven't gotten around to it. I don't intend to reread "Ship of the Line" to compare notes on our nautical experiences directly, I have my limits. :p
I loved both books but as you can see from my essay here I am certainly not blind to their faults.
 
Final Frontier is one of my all-time favourites, but I think Best Destiny was a poor follow up.

Loved Dreadnought! and Battlestations!, I even loved the widely disliked Red Sector and Ship of the Line.

I hated The Great Starship Race.

Ghost Ship is a bizarro tale that bares as much resemblance to Next Gen as that infamous first DC comics miniseries.

I really enjoyed her adaptation of the Starfleet Academy videogame.

First Frontier has been on my re-read pile for about a decade.
 
Final Frontier is one of my all-time favourites, but I think Best Destiny was a poor follow up.

Loved Dreadnought! and Battlestations!, I even loved the widely disliked Red Sector and Ship of the Line.

I hated The Great Starship Race.

Ghost Ship is a bizarro tale that bares as much resemblance to Next Gen as that infamous first DC comics miniseries.

I really enjoyed her adaptation of the Starfleet Academy videogame.

First Frontier has been on my re-read pile for about a decade.
Could you tell me more about what did not work for you in Best Destiny? Because I thought the characters of Robert and George were drawn much more deeply and richly in that novel.
 
I loved Dreadnought!, Battlestations!, Best Destiny, Final Frontier and The Great Starship Race. I've at least liked everything else I've read by her. I used to annoy myself by confusing her with Diane Duane. I like Duanes stuff fine, but not as much as Carey.
 
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I only know her from the thread here where they were talking how cheeky she was for using the Broken Bow novelisation to critique some of the stupid moments in the episode. I thought what she did was hilarious.
 
Final Frontier is one of my all-time favourites, but I think Best Destiny was a poor follow up.

Loved Dreadnought! and Battlestations!, I even loved the widely disliked Red Sector and Ship of the Line.

I hated The Great Starship Race.

Ghost Ship is a bizarro tale that bares as much resemblance to Next Gen as that infamous first DC comics miniseries.

I really enjoyed her adaptation of the Starfleet Academy videogame.

First Frontier has been on my re-read pile for about a decade.
I liked Dreadnought and Battlestations a lot, at least partially because they opened up what was a pretty tightly constrained Trek universe at the time.

I wish I could say that I liked books like Final Frontier and Best Destiny, but I really didn't.
 
Could you tell me more about what did not work for you in Best Destiny? Because I thought the characters of Robert and George were drawn much more deeply and richly in that novel.
I'm not sure, it just didn't engage me the way Final Frontier did. And I gave it another chance with a second read though a few years later.
 
I only know her from the thread here where they were talking how cheeky she was for using the Broken Bow novelisation to critique some of the stupid moments in the episode. I thought what she did was hilarious.
It's because of the Broken Bow novelization she hasn't written any Trek novels since then.
 
It's because of the Broken Bow novelization she hasn't written any Trek novels since then.

I was actually surprised Pocketbooks released it as it was. It came through pretty clearly, at least for me, that she hated that episode. I'm not sure how it all works but if I disliked something that much I would think I would just go in and say I can't do it. If I had to do it because of some contract then I'd just try to make the best of it. But I wouldn't trash the story in my novel...which apparently led to her being blacklisted in Star Trek fiction (not sure if she had plans to write future Star Trek novels or not, but that's a good way not to write Star Trek novels I suppose). I'd imagine a good way to get kicked off writing tie-in fiction to any franchise would be to make fun of the source material in a book you are writing for that franchise.
 
Interesting podcast interview. I like Dreadnaught and Battle stations and Final Frontier and Best Destiny. I also like her novel The great Starship race.
 
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Interesting podcast interview. I like Dreadnaught and Battte stations and Final Frontier and Best Destiny. I also like her novel The great Starship race.
Agreed. I enjoyed the interview keenly and got a lot of insight into her work. I love the books you mention also.
 
I was actually surprised Pocketbooks released it as it was.
It was a situation where they were coming up on a very close deadline, Diane Carey was an experienced author who could deliver with no editorial oversight, so they stayed out of her way and just printed the manuscript as is when she handed it in. It was after it was published and Brannon Braga read it and put a complaint in with Pocket over it that all the trouble started.
 
I meant to reread "Fire Ship" after I spent some time volunteering on a tall ship a couple years ago to see if I had a new perspective on how Carey's own experiences sailing might've shaded her depiction of the ship that impresses Janeway, but I haven't gotten around to it. I don't intend to reread "Ship of the Line" to compare notes on our nautical experiences directly, I have my limits. :p

I think the last time I read Fire Ship was nineteen or twenty years ago. I've always liked it. Her other Star Trek novel that leans super-hard into the "fighting sail" tropes is Ancient Blood, in which Picard and Alexander explore a holodeck program about the Royal Navy during the American Revolution. I loved that. :)

Ship of the Line reads like a book she ran out of time on. The first third of the book (the 23rd century parts) is good, even if it has nothing to do with "Cause and Effect," and the last two thirds feels rushed and underdeveloped. It also shows a lack of editorial oversight, because there are some things that just don't make sense chronologically. I also wish there were some point to the Horatio Hornblower references (the title, Gabriel Bush), because they feel gratuitous.

For a long, long time I hoped that Carey would write a book of nautical fiction. (When James L. Nelson's Revolutionary War novels began being published by Pocket in the mid-90s, I wondered if Nelson was actually a pseudonym for Carey.) Seven years ago, she published Banners, a novel about the War of 1812, culminating in the defense of Fort McHenry and the burning of Washington, and part of the book features an American privateer and the British man-o-war hunting him down. Honestly, if you like her Star Trek fiction, I'd recommend checking it out. It's not perfect by any means -- my review in the "What Are You Reading" thread is here (and led to Dave Galanter emailing me to say that he didn't want me to review any of his novels because he didn't feel like they would withstand my scrutiny) -- but I found it enjoyable and comparable to her Star Trek work.

I was actually surprised Pocketbooks released it as it was. It came through pretty clearly, at least for me, that she hated that episode.

As The Wormhole notes, Carey was a fast writer who produced publishable copy at high speed. That's a skill. Not many people can write 10k, 15k in a day, day after day. I imagine someone in the office (John Ordover?) got her manuscript, read it, found it publishable, gave it over to a copy-editor for quick fixes, passed it to CBS for approvals, and when they came back it went straight to layout and press. I don't know if Carey assumed her... embellishments would get edited out at some point or if she thought if they went through she was "protected" because the manuscript had been through several layers of approvals at that point.
 
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