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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x12 - "There Is A Tide…"

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Nice to hear the admiral mention the pre warp civilizations and letting them go free. Wonder uf this was a khitomer accord thing with the klingon too?
 
Has anyone mentioned that at 3:13 into the episode we get a view of how Zora sees herself?

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I noticed it. Doesn't look like a woman, though.
 
Quantum-Slipstream Device requires Benamit-Crystals which are even more rare then Dilithium and deacys fast.
Only the Mark 2 quantum Slipstream drive required Benamite Crystals.

Also Benamite Crystals can be artificially synthesized.


Well, sounds like it is all worked out. I trust nothing bad will never, ever, happen again.

I do hope CBS hires you soon.. :beer:
Don't need to, that was all information directly told to us in past episodes.
 
Wow, this was unexpected and great. I was undecided between 8 and 9 and went with a 9.

Osyraa must be the first obviously bipolar Star Trek character: she goes cardboard villan to very reasonable and back in the blink of an eye. Still really great she actually has nobler ideals than the "slave owner villain" she seemed to be. I also like the disabled scientist, although it's kinda obvious he'll betray the chain next week.

The diplomatic part was unexpected and pleasing, the escape classic Trek and very well done.

Note for Vance: asking to put on trial high ranking officials of a foreign government, especially for crimes that are not crimes under their jurisdiction are a sure way to blow up negotiations. The president should be very disappointed in you. And to think that the Chain was being incredibly reasonable, being willing to engage in huge reforms such as banning slavery and withdrawing from pre-warp planets!
Diplomacy is the art of the compromise, Vance's stiff attitude is hardly that.

Note for Michael: wearing socks help your feet being more comfortable in your boots. Try, you might like it.

Something I've noticed already in the first episode of the season, the stunt coordinators are really trying to use real martial arts techniques this season (as opposed to the vulcan flying nonsense in season one), during the escape scene it was really nice to recognise a oretty much by-the-book form of omote ikkyo, from Aikido (ude osae, straight form, if you're in a dojo that uses the traditional names). On the other hand, I have no idea on what the hell was Michael trying to do with her legs: as soon as she did it I thought "that looks incredibly stupid" and well…she gets stabbed promptly!

So Michael can do the Vulcan nerve pinch. Uhm, ok. Fine for me.

Really great episode, hope it keeps up for the finale.
 
This would be such a great show if the writers could resist the urge to make somebody cry every damn episode. I'm so sick of all the crying that is driving me crazy. It doesn't have any emotional impact at me by now, it is annoying as hell. This is a great episode, I love what they have done with the story, where they are taking it, I like their explanation of the Burn. Everything is acceptable at least but usually good to very good. But than of course there comes a scene where Burnham MUST CRY. Every damn episode BURNHAM MUST CRY. And it is better if she usually finds a partner in crime and so THEY CAN CRY TOGETHER. Because this is drama. Well it's not. I will not hate the show because I love the show. But I hate all the crying. And because we have a season finale incoming I presume next week everybody cries and Burnham will cry at least 3 times ... Because why not? Crying will bring emotions to the viewers. Yes dear writers they are bringing emotions to me. But not the ones you want ...

And what are you doing, sir? Crying about it! :wah:
 
Got a question: Why did we never hear about this constant crying shit during the first two seasons? Is it because now that it's not a prequel, doesn't have TOS characters, or new Klingons, they're zeroing in on and fine-tuning the Burnham Hate? Because this shit's getting old.
No, because it started midway trough season 2. That's when I started noticing it, anyway.
 
Point still stands. We've heard this 10 Million times. We get it. This is the show. Let's move on.

I don't even agree with some people here about the definition of crying. I go by the crazy, insane definition that tears come out of the eyes. I know, right? It's insane.

So, from my point of view, people are going on and on and on and on and on and on about something I don't even see. It's like, "Please just fucking stop already." It's gone way passed annoying now.
 
We can't?? Have...have we been trying?

I don't want to argue with Lord Garth, but I do think we can easily build pyramids to exacting specifications and we obviously know every bolt and stem that went into the Apollo Project. There is some mystery about the pyramids, but it's usually on the level of whether they did this or that, and might they have access to this technology or just make use of that technology. Overall, nothing is lost with the pyramids, since the End Product is still there (other Wonders of the World, OTOH...)

The main issue with building pyramids is the cost, both financial and human. And while most decent governments could probably afford it (especially with ease of modern technology), there is no benefit. To the Egyptians, these were divinely ordered mausoleums for their great kings. To us, they would be pork projects of no use. If we wanted to construct it with ancient tools, or our best approximation, that just needlessly inflates the financial cost, and gives us serious health risks to the workers (who will have to be paid way more than the average Egyptian citizen-farmer).

We could start building Apollo 11 tomorrow. We have all the details, some of the leftover parts. Even some of the original builders are around to chip in their advice. We don't, because that would be pointless and dangerous. Why build Apollo again when two of its launches suffered catastrophic failures? I mean, we'll fix those, but what if some antiquated '60s part causes another unforeseeable situation. Simpler to use what we've learned in the many decades. Financially, and societally, we seem to have moved on from the Moon, and most governments want to focus on smaller projects, especially with many domestic and foreign policy concerns.
 
Well remember the other reason she's entering into negotiations with the Federation is because the Emerald Chain is comparatively and woefully short of dilithium supplies. She knows that once the dilithium runs out, The chains ability to project its power is gone. She didn't enter into negotiations just because she thought it was time to - she had an underlying and very desperate reason.
Agreed. And I actually think a treaty makes sense. However, I was replying to someone else who was saying that she had the stronger position in these negotiations while she clearly did not. Also, while I think the motive for wanting a treaty is rational, her approach to obtaining it was completely counter-productive! Rationale for treaty--good. Plan for obtaining said treaty--fatally flawed.
 
Hmm...I think we can all agree that disabled scientist guy is dead by Osyraa's hands next week. Ryn's new spine didn't save him, and walking away from his benefactor won't save this fellow either.
 
Wow, this was unexpected and great. I was undecided between 8 and 9 and went with a 9.

Osyraa must be the first obviously bipolar Star Trek character: she goes cardboard villan to very reasonable and back in the blink of an eye. Still really great she actually has nobler ideals than the "slave owner villain" she seemed to be. I also like the disabled scientist, although it's kinda obvious he'll betray the chain next week.

The diplomatic part was unexpected and pleasing, the escape classic Trek and very well done.

Note for Vance: asking to put on trial high ranking officials of a foreign government, especially for crimes that are not crimes under their jurisdiction are a sure way to blow up negotiations. The president should be very disappointed in you. And to think that the Chain was being incredibly reasonable, being willing to engage in huge reforms such as banning slavery and withdrawing from pre-warp planets!
Diplomacy is the art of the compromise, Vance's stiff attitude is hardly that.

Note for Michael: wearing socks help your feet being more comfortable in your boots. Try, you might like it.

Something I've noticed already in the first episode of the season, the stunt coordinators are really trying to use real martial arts techniques this season (as opposed to the vulcan flying nonsense in season one), during the escape scene it was really nice to recognise a oretty much by-the-book form of omote ikkyo, from Aikido (ude osae, straight form, if you're in a dojo that uses the traditional names). On the other hand, I have no idea on what the hell was Michael trying to do with her legs: as soon as she did it I thought "that looks incredibly stupid" and well…she gets stabbed promptly!

So Michael can do the Vulcan nerve pinch. Uhm, ok. Fine for me.

Really great episode, hope it keeps up for the finale.

Vance was calling Osyraa's bluff when he asked her to stand trial. Osyraa thought she could fool the Federation into a treaty by giving a crazy amount of secessions. Vance didn't buy any of it or Osyraa's sincerity and was proved right when Osyraa refused to take responsibility for her actions.
 
this was established in the Very first episode of the series, when she did it to Georgiou.
totally forgot about that.
As mentioned, no problem for me. I know some people will hate the idea, but if it’s just a technique Data can replicate I can’t imagine why a human that has trained years on Vulcan couldn’t and we'll just say that McCoy was confused and not totally in control when he failed doing it.
 
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