IN and OUT Burgers

[RobertScorpio]

We have a great hamburger joint here in califorina called IN and OUT. Not sure if you have them back east, or over seas, but they are pretty good.

But it got me thinking. Do they eat animals Trek's future. Roddenberry was kind kooky with some of his beliefs, IMO, but since they have replicators, I wonder if eating 'real' meat is against Federation laws.

Does anyone know if that is the case? Or can Quark's serve authentic Prime-rib?

 

[PKTrekGirl]

I think that non-Star Fleet owned restaurants can likely serve anything they want. Quarks, the Klingon chef...I don't think Sisko could tell them what they could and couldn't sell. For that matter, I can't imagine ANYONE telling that Klingon chef what he could and couldn't sell.

But you rarely see anything but replicated food on ships and in crew quarters....

 

[RobertScorpio]

In our Star Trek Fanfac, which you can read in the fan fic section (it is called Project Naissance) one of our characters, Nausicaan, is eating the brains of an animal. I am with you. I would hate to tell a Nausicaan, or a Klingons, what they can and can not eat.

 

[Kegek]

Real meat is definitely frowned upon in the Federation. Take the TNG episode "Lonely Among Us", where Riker rather curtly explains to the carnivorous Anticans "We no longer enslave animals for food purposes."

This doesn't mean Quark can't serve genuine meat. He's in Bajoran space, and that way he gets away with such non-Fed activities like - gasp - making money!

 

[RobertScorpio]

This doesn't mean Quark can't serve genuine meat. He's in Bajoran space, and that way he gets away with such non-Fed activities like - gasp - making money!

How dare you insult us!! lol

 

[CaptainHawk1]

We have them here in Las Vegas, too and here's the thing: In and Out is dogshit and the only reason people out West think it's so freakin' great is because they don't know what a real burger or food in general is supposed to be like. For Christ's sake you people put ranch dressing on Buffalo Wings!

You want to have burgers that you can aspire to, go back East.

-Shawn

 

[CaptValEson]

Nah, by the time the 24th century come around, they'll have perfected the methods of growing meat in factories, thus not needing to kill animals.

I remember reading an article about that and thinking how that was just whacked. But it would certainly take care of certain problems like diseased meat and what not.

 

[Crewman47]

Most animals on this planet have only one use, and that is for our nourishment. That is what God (sorry to bring him into this) intended them for, nothing else. I would like to think that even still on Earth in the 24th century us Humans will still be eating real meat, herding cows, sheep, pigs and chickens for just that purpose. The possible reason why they don't have real meat on starships would obviously have to do with storage as with other things that rather get replicated.

That's all I got to say, I'd appreciate not to get into a debate about the animals only intended for meat part.

 

[farmkid]

CaptainHawk1 said:
We have them here in Las Vegas, too and here's the thing: In and Out is dogshit and the only reason people out West think it's so freakin' great is because they don't know what a real burger or food in general is supposed to be like. For Christ's sake you people put ranch dressing on Buffalo Wings!

You want to have burgers that you can aspire to, go back East.

-Shawn

In-N-Out doesn't compare to burgers you would get at a real restaurant, but compared to other fast food, In-N-Out wins hands down. Their burgers and fries are better than any other fast food place I've been and their prices are cheaper as well. My family (me, wife, 5 kids) can eat there for $20.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

farmkid said:

CaptainHawk1 said:
We have them here in Las Vegas, too and here's the thing: In and Out is dogshit and the only reason people out West think it's so freakin' great is because they don't know what a real burger or food in general is supposed to be like. For Christ's sake you people put ranch dressing on Buffalo Wings!

You want to have burgers that you can aspire to, go back East.

-Shawn

In-N-Out doesn't compare to burgers you would get at a real restaurant, but compared to other fast food, In-N-Out wins hands down. Their burgers and fries are better than any other fast food place I've been and their prices are cheaper as well. My family (me, wife, 5 kids) can eat there for $20.

Right... where YOU'VE been.. out West. Their fries are good but their burgers are crap. For fast food out West, Fatburger is better but they suck too compared to anything you get back East.

Again, the point is out that out West, people wouldn't know a good burger if it bit them on the ass. It's subjective. All you know is West Coast burger joints so that's the basis for comparison. I've had both... I know the difference. Thank you for proving the point.

-Shawn

 

[FordSVT]

CaptainHawk1 said:
We have them here in Las Vegas, too and here's the thing: In and Out is dogshit and the only reason people out West think it's so freakin' great is because they don't know what a real burger or food in general is supposed to be like. For Christ's sake you people put ranch dressing on Buffalo Wings!

You want to have burgers that you can aspire to, go back East.

-Shawn

I live more east than you do and it's quite common to see ranch dressing served with wings. Because it's good.

There's a thing called "individual preference" you might want to look into before you declare everyone who doesn't like to eat exactly what you like to eat is a tasteless idiot.

 

[AdmiralGarak]

I can't imagine Ben Sisko cooking dinner with inferior replicated ingredients. His father would disown him.

 

[WillsBabe]

There's a TNG episode (can't recall which one) where Keiko and Miles are discussing food. Miles tells Keiko that his mother used to prepare meat herself for food. Keiko seems a little amazed/disgusted by the thought.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

FordSVT said:

CaptainHawk1 said:
We have them here in Las Vegas, too and here's the thing: In and Out is dogshit and the only reason people out West think it's so freakin' great is because they don't know what a real burger or food in general is supposed to be like. For Christ's sake you people put ranch dressing on Buffalo Wings!

You want to have burgers that you can aspire to, go back East.

-Shawn

I live more east than you do and it's quite common to see ranch dressing served with wings. Because it's good.

There's a thing called "individual preference" you might want to look into before you declare everyone who doesn't like to eat exactly what you like to eat is a tasteless idiot.

I'm sorry, don't you live in Canada? You know Iraq is way farther East from where I live as well but I don't think that they would have any insights on what a good American burger should be like either. What you do with your burgers in wings in Canada is between you and the Mounties.

I'm from way farther east (in the U.S., no less, a little place called New York, maybe you've heard of it...) than you think, pal. You can't get a good burger to save your life in Las Vegas which means you have to settle for In-N-Out or Fatburger. I'm well aware of the concept of personal preference, but it's blasphemous to put ranch on chicken wings (akin to putting A-1 on a filet mignon) yet out here it's the norm and you have to specifically request bleu cheese dressing to get it and then they look at you funny because you requested it. That's absurd.

Beyond that, it's a hamburger debate, don't take it so seriously. I didn't call anyone a tasteless idiot but if you want to feel offended because I brought into question your wing dipping sauces, knock yourself out.

-Shawn

 

[JoeZhang]

Come on - O'Brien with his pint and darts - there was no way he wasn't sneaking out for a crafty bacon sarnie or ulster fry when the missus isn't look.

 

[aridas sofia]

CaptainHawk1 said:

farmkid said:

CaptainHawk1 said:
We have them here in Las Vegas, too and here's the thing: In and Out is dogshit and the only reason people out West think it's so freakin' great is because they don't know what a real burger or food in general is supposed to be like. For Christ's sake you people put ranch dressing on Buffalo Wings!

You want to have burgers that you can aspire to, go back East.

-Shawn

In-N-Out doesn't compare to burgers you would get at a real restaurant, but compared to other fast food, In-N-Out wins hands down. Their burgers and fries are better than any other fast food place I've been and their prices are cheaper as well. My family (me, wife, 5 kids) can eat there for $20.

Right... where YOU'VE been.. out West. Their fries are good but their burgers are crap. For fast food out West, Fatburger is better but they suck too compared to anything you get back East.

Again, the point is out that out West, people wouldn't know a good burger if it bit them on the ass. It's subjective. All you know is West Coast burger joints so that's the basis for comparison. I've had both... I know the difference. Thank you for proving the point.

-Shawn

Until I left l Claremont and returned East, I enjoyed the In-N-Outs in Ontario and Huntington Beach, CA. It wasn't Fuddrucker's or even the original Cheeburger Cheeburger (pre-expansion), but I think the burger was exceptional for a drive-in, fast food stand. They got the "old fashioned, pre-McDonalds, pre-industrialization-and-standardization-of-burger-making" taste just about right.

For fries, though... you couldn't come close -- nobody could come close -- to the ethereal Benita's Frites of Santa Monica. God... I miss that place.

As for Trek and carnivora, they sure wished they had real turkeys for Thanksgiving in "Charlie X". I suspect this is yet another way the wild, wild 23rd century echoes our own senses and sensibilities better than the 24th.

 

[StolenThunder]

WillsBabe said:
There's a TNG episode (can't recall which one) where Keiko and Miles are discussing food. Miles tells Keiko that his mother used to prepare meat herself for food. Keiko seems a little amazed/disgusted by the thought.

The Wounded is the episode. I was going to mention that myself.

 

[TGTheodore]

CaptainHawk1 said:
We have them here in Las Vegas, too and here's the thing: In and Out is dogshit and the only reason people out West think it's so freakin' great is because they don't know what a real burger or food in general is supposed to be like. For Christ's sake you people put ranch dressing on Buffalo Wings!

You want to have burgers that you can aspire to, go back East.

-Shawn

Well, thank God you're not speaking in massive generalities.

--Ted

 

[PKTrekGirl]

AdmiralGarak said:
I can't imagine Ben Sisko cooking dinner with inferior replicated ingredients. His father would disown him.

Actually, this is an excellent point which I should have thought of myself.

Further, I specifically remember Sisko scrubbing and shelling oysters in one episode - I think 7x01 when he is back on Earth trying to get over Jadzia's death.

Now true, oysters are not meat...but from a moral point of view, killing an oyster is not much different from killing a cow.

But even on the station, Sisko was pretty adamant about using the best ingredients. Remember when Kassidy burned the peppers????

 

[Guartho]

CaptainHawk1 said:

I'm from way farther east (in the U.S., no less, a little place called New York, maybe you've heard of it...) than you think, pal. You can't get a good burger to save your life in Las Vegas which means you have to settle for In-N-Out or Fatburger.
-Shawn

I've eaten hamburgers on both coasts (including a little place called New York that I've heard of) and in Las Vegas. I have experienced good and bad burgers just about everywhere. In fact, about the only thing I experienced in New York that was truly unique to New York was the attitude that "everything that's not here is inferior." Wait, they have that in Texas too. Nevermind.