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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x06 - "Scavengers"

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I guess they could have been lying about Latif's role to cover up the fact that it was going to be set in the 32nd Century, but that seems unlikely. If they were not going to involve him they would have just not mentioned him, rather than lying.
<*** Laughs in John Harrison ***>
 
Ok, yeah, that's a fair point.
One other thing I forgot to mention is my last post was how much I got a kick out of everyone trying out the new gear, and the upgrades to the ship. Linus popping up randomly all over the ship was hilarious. He's quickly becoming one of my favorite characters. He doesn't get a ton of screen time, but what he does get is usually a highlight of the episode.
 
When the originally announced the show, they said it was going to star Michelle Yeoh as Georgiou, and Shazad Latif as Ash Tyler/Voq. I guess they could have been lying about Latif's role to cover up the fact that it was going to be set in the 32nd Century, but that seems unlikely. If they were not going to involve him they would have just not mentioned him, rather than lying.
I enjoyed this episode overall. I do agree that Burnham going rogue was a bit annoying, but it wasn't enough to ruin the episode for me.
I really enjoyed the stuff with her and Georgiou going to rescue book.
Tilly and Grudge was pretty funny.
The relationship between Adira and Stamets seems like it should be pretty nice.
I'm very curious to see who's going to become XO now that Burnham has lost the potion.
I don't think they were lying, but I do think plans could've changed.
 
Apparently not. The data seems be from ships destroyed by the Burn.
Which according to the Admiral, nobody from Star Fleet has had the time to explore.

Burnham managed to get three "black boxes" from different locations across the galaxy.
And discovered that the exact time each ship was destroyed, was slightly different.
We've been led to believe by the episodes so far, that everyone believed it was instantaneous across the galaxy.

Not really sure why a couple of folks decided to deride my original question. :wtf:
 
He isn't. They're not going back to the 23rd Century. None of them are. Georgiou especially has no reason to go back. She was in the Prime 23rd Century for a hot minute. She has no real connection there.
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Well, IF "Calypso" is/ will become canon, then someone has to go back (roughly a thousand ys), then leave Discovery for the crew in the 32rd century to find.
 
I would certainly like to see that Burnham's three years+ of character development (including time off screen) have taught her the lesson about insubordination, but it seems she is still quite happy to disobey orders whenever she feels like it. That was, to use Saru's phrase, disappointing. I'm sure this episode could have been nearly identical without that aspect, and respected the development of the character a bit more.
I think it's heading in a different direction - Saru was right that her hesitation to be his number one was a massive red flag. I think after a year on her own, she's realised that the tight structure of Starfleet just isn't for her any more.

It's hard to say her insubordination was wrong in this episode. She saved Book, freed some slaves and recovered crucial data. If she had followed orders, Book would probably be dead. She did the right thing and got results.

I don't really see her happily sitting back and being the by-the-book officer Saru and the admiral want and expect. And that's fine, not everyone can work in a rigid hierarchical structure.
 
I don't think her insubordination is "wrong." I do feel it feels unearned for the producers to do this to their lead character after the events of the past two seasons and pulling her back into the fold after the Shenzhou.
 
I don't think her insubordination is "wrong." I do feel it feels unearned for the producers to do this to their lead character after the events of the past two seasons and pulling her back into the fold after the Shenzhou.

The lesson Michael learned was she did nothing wrong. It was the theme of Season 1's ending where it was Mutiny 2.0.
 
I don't think her insubordination is "wrong." I do feel it feels unearned for the producers to do this to their lead character after the events of the past two seasons and pulling her back into the fold after the Shenzhou.

Do what though? This is what she's always been like. The only real difference is her actions at the Binary Stars didn't quite pay off - but if Georgiou had dodged Tkuvma and Michael had stunned him, she might have been the hero again. Instead she was hung out to dry in a show trial and blamed for an interstellar war that wasn't her fault. The Klingons wanted an excuse for war, and Tkuvma gave them one.

I think it's too early to write her off and the producers deserve the benefit of the doubt. We're only getting half the story. I think they'll be looking to subvert our expectations - right now we think it's heading one way, with Michael breaking the rules and being punished for it.

Let's see.
 
I used to think this might be a possibility until they upgraded Discovery to the Discovery-A. Now I think "Calypso" takes place in an alternate timeline.
I think it take place in the same universe but is the result changing plans. If we see the Calypso Disco again it will have the A.
 
It sure looks like the main plot of this season is going to be Michael and the Disco crew figuring out what caused The Burn and fixing it, thereby restoring the Federation. Just for fun, let's translate that into a contemporary setting. Let's say a Turkish sailing ship from the 1400s is thrown forwards in time and washes up on the shore of the Mediterranean in 2020, and one of the first things they learn is that the Ottoman Empire fell 100 years ago after World War I.

"Ah," they say. "So all we have to do is find out what caused this 'World War I', undo it, and the Ottoman Empire will spring back into existence!"

Well, your scenario is off. For one thing, they don't know what caused the Burn. So, I can see this from both sides.

From the Federations point of view, it's something that happen over a century ago. They're don't like the new status quo but they're used to it. They grew up with it already being normal. So, the daily stuff is going to take precedent.

Michael on the other hand is shock by the change. It's not what she grew up with. To her, it basically just happened. Not the Burn, but the shock associated with it! She doesn't have that sense of it being normal and the acceptance of the status quo and the feeling it won't happen again are not ingrained.

I can understand both points of view.

And, yes, historians have looked at the cause of WW2 and have had ideas about preventing other wars. Look at the Marshall Plan after the War. (I just you said WW1, but historians study that too).

I don't buy that the Federation didn't fully investigate the Burn over the course of the century though. But, I suppose they were just so busy surviving. But we saw that two people in a freighter could get key information.

But I do understand the different reactions to it.
 
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Again, my hypothesis with the flashbacks is basically that Cronenberg's character did something to Georgiou which is slowly reversing the (apparently now canonical) biological psychopathy inherent to MU Terrans.

While I hate what this says about the MU, this means that Georgiou can have some sort of realistic redemption arc - even if biologically instigated - which will make her far more enjoyable as a character.
I'm not 100% convinced. I think he said that to put her on the defensive. Make her feel less special. She takes pride in her attitude and he say's it's genetic. We know that it struck home because her reaction was, "I'm extreme even by Terran standards." She was on the defensive there looking for a way to maintain her view of things.

I don't know if that was meant to be the truth. But, it could be. We know that there is the eyesight and light issue. So, there seems to be some genetic differences. But the Mirror Universe stories from DS9 show perfectly normal (by our standards) humans. In fact, Empire fell because it changed as a whole.

Well, I guess we'll find out sometime!
 
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