Out of a trillion people, it is a statistical error.
Circumstances were different. The Romulans were willing to accept Federation assistance to evacuate worlds in the path of the Super (Hyper?) Nova.
Prime Directive: Pen Pals & WWTW
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Out of a trillion people, it is a statistical error.
Circumstances were different. The Romulans were willing to accept Federation assistance to evacuate worlds in the path of the Super (Hyper?) Nova.
Sci-Fi writers have no sense of scale. Only 400,000 Bajorans died during the occupation.
The show changed the Kelvin movie supernova into the Romulan star itself exploding. Picard did manage to get quite a few people to that monastary planet as well.
I feel bad mostly for the Remans who undoubtedly had their world destroyed.
I imagine that is the official line. Many more likely died that were never counted.
Memory Alpha mentions 15 million Bajorans dead, Memory Beta gives the number at 10-15 million dead. Not sure what their source is for those numbers. Still seems on the low side for an occupation that spanned decades.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Occupation_of_Bajor
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Occupation_of_Bajor
Was there really all that much talk about a "evacuation of Mars" being a huge, resource heavy undertaking (or really any talk about it at all) on Picard? I can't remember.Picard gave me the impression that Mars was not all that densely populated.
To me it seemed the Mars crisis was just a excuse Anti-Romulan elements within the Federation used to cut help to them.
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No, just that the planet was still burning. We do know that from the previous material that Mars was one of the first worlds of the Federation.
The reason for not evacuating Romulus was the destruction of a world, the destruction of the fleet, and secession motivated by Romulan antipathy. The Picard: The Last Best Hope said that the issue was also complicated by the fact the Federation put ALL its resources to the evacuation, putting aside many less intensive but still important development projects.
Do we? I can't remember a reference to it. Besides inference, with it being one of the closest Earth colony worlds.
I mean it was, since I assume it joined when Earth did.
Yeah, it was already being colonized along with Luna in ENTERPRISE.
I'm not sure we know all that much about Mars from on-screen material. I guess there's the implication of it being a Federation world, but its never been spelled out as such.
For all we know, they could be an independent world that rents out Utopia Planitia to the Federation.
Yes I know, so likely joined as Earth's colony, as would most other earth colonies at the time, same with the Vulcan/Andorian/Tellarite ones.
But that doesn't mean that it was by necessity a densely populated world. P'Jem probably also joined the Federation when Vulcan did and just has a monastery.
I believe it declared itself a free world prior to the formation of the Federation.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Fundamental_Declarations_of_the_Martian_colonies
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Fundamental_Declarations_of_the_Martian_Colonies
Perhaps but we have terraforming as a thing that the Federation does by the 24th century and population growth. It doesn't have to be an immensely populated world but it's still going to be something that the loss of is a horrific blow.
Seems like the Federation chugged right along, not missing a beat, except for abandoning the Romulans.
Minus the world that is still burning?
Also, to go back to the Prime Directive, what obligation did the Federation owe? Just wondering how many have to die before it's fulfilled.
And? Essentially it looked to be a 24th century spaceport and the Federation seems to be in no hurry of putting it out. What, 15 years later?
Mars was left burning to stoke fear in Federation citizens about positronic technology.
Your argument is the Federation COULD and didn't because of laziness versus it being a horrific tragedy that's not easily reversed?
That's silly. The Federation doesn't hate synthetics. It just thinks the technology is too dangerous and possibly immoral.
I think that its the case that Mars going out would be a massive resource intensive project they can't afford.
Yet every-time we see Mars it lacks both water and vegetation. And I just re-read the way the attack took place. Seems like the "evacuation" would have mostly consisted of picking up survivors from shelters.
I figure Mars would mostly have been a cultural shock.
All the magic we've seen over fifty years, and you don't think Starfleet could put out a planetary fire?
We really don't know what the Federation generally thinks of AI. But the best way to keep people from forgetting is to allow Mars to continue to burn. We do know that they won't allow the technology to be used to save dying patients (See: Thad Riker).
@Mutai Sho-Rin, can you add a spoiler tag to this thread? So people know there are Picard spoilers in here.
Circling back to this and "The Last Best Hope". According to the book, there were already many ship built and in service evacuating Romulans, that wouldn't have been affected by the events on Mars. Why pull them from the rescue efforts they were built and crewed for?
Mars simply didn't represent all the Federation's chips in the rescue effort.
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