If BF resembled Data, wouldn't the first assumption be that someone cloned Soong?
But it isn't, Narek is a member at least. It may just be happenstance that that group of inductees was all female.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x08 - "Broken Pieces"
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I noticed something very interesting. Picard notes, "Data was limited in his ability to process emotions, and I suppose we were similar in that way."
Spock in Unification: "He intrigues me, this Picard. [...] He's remarkably analytical and dispassionate, for a Human. [...] There's almost a Vulcan quality to the man."
Spock in Unification: "He intrigues me, this Picard. [...] He's remarkably analytical and dispassionate, for a Human. [...] There's almost a Vulcan quality to the man."
The same reason people would kick up a fuss if they were exclusively male in a series made in 2020?
Was there a reason why Oh's Zhat Vash squad that subjected themselves to the vision were all women?
Also, it seems a little impractical to create this organization of the Zhat Vash and the initiation involves having something put into your head that will drive most people to insanity. What if nobody survived Oh's vision subjection? Or what if they slowly went mad and jeopardized the mission along the way?
And they're putting a lot of stock in this experience from an unknown alien culture. How do they know it's not psychological warfare? Disinformation? The result of a diseased mind? A disease itself that seeks to drive everyone mad? A trap of some kind. I think it would have made more sense if the vision was at least purely Romulan or Vulcan in origin so there would be some degree of trust in it, rather than risking your sanity and life just to perpetuate this thing. How many other cultures are out there that have their own myths and prophecies? Earth alone has too many, but the entire galaxy? Universe? Kirk and them thought they encountered God, seemed like God, but then it turned out to be fake. Kahless returned but that was fake. Cardassians, and Klingons found the origin of all humanoid life and they dismissed it outright.
The mystery revealed of Rios was good as it played out, but it further makes this world seem smaller if coincidentally Picard's friend Raffi knew a guy who has a ship who also has a connection to Soji's sister.
Also, it seems a little impractical to create this organization of the Zhat Vash and the initiation involves having something put into your head that will drive most people to insanity. What if nobody survived Oh's vision subjection? Or what if they slowly went mad and jeopardized the mission along the way?
And they're putting a lot of stock in this experience from an unknown alien culture. How do they know it's not psychological warfare? Disinformation? The result of a diseased mind? A disease itself that seeks to drive everyone mad? A trap of some kind. I think it would have made more sense if the vision was at least purely Romulan or Vulcan in origin so there would be some degree of trust in it, rather than risking your sanity and life just to perpetuate this thing. How many other cultures are out there that have their own myths and prophecies? Earth alone has too many, but the entire galaxy? Universe? Kirk and them thought they encountered God, seemed like God, but then it turned out to be fake. Kahless returned but that was fake. Cardassians, and Klingons found the origin of all humanoid life and they dismissed it outright.
The mystery revealed of Rios was good as it played out, but it further makes this world seem smaller if coincidentally Picard's friend Raffi knew a guy who has a ship who also has a connection to Soji's sister.
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Not really actually. Raffi was specifically hunting Starfleet mysteries and people who would confirm her theories of conspiracy. Rios with his mysteriously classified ibn Majid ship is probably top on the list of people she'd meet during this hunt.
Then obviously they weren't worthy
She sought him out for that reason? Because I didn't hear that in any episodes, plus, you would have thought that if she sought him out because of this Synth/Romulan conspiracy you think she'd have brought it up to Picard. It's played more like they're just old friends.
Well we didn't hear that wasn't the reason either. She probably looked him up and asked him about the ibn Majid after learning about it, he refused to talk, and then they just kept in touch anyways.
That's a lot of assuming. As it stands it's not played like that at all, so the result is that everything's connected a little too conveniently. Riker and Troi's son just so happens to have died because of the synthetic ban, Rios just so happens to have met Soji's sister. It reminds me of how the Star Trek prequels made this vast galaxy feel smaller by having so many things connected. Oh look, Chewbacca knew Yoda! Hey, that random bounty hunter in ESB is actually the template for ALL the clones that helped take over the Republic and kill the Jedi.
And is this fear of synthetic life and it's destruction applied to holo-people as well? We already saw a hologram Moriarty become sentient in TNG, so lets say the kill of Soji and all of the other androids. What's stopping the holograms from triggering the apocalypse?
Fair enough, but as Star Wars has the Force, or whatever, controlling things, well... Picard has Q.
So then she has to find another group of people willing to dedicate their lives to some cult-like cause, and also be willing to risk insanity and/or death by some crazy test.
Death and gore in PIC has been criticized, and it's been defended by arguing that it's depicting the real result of violence. And yet I don't get that so much from the show.
Oh and the Zhat Vash has a test that drive their members insane to the point of suicide. They still subject them, and they go along with it. Narissa kills all the xBs like a GTA character shooting random people. The kill count goes up but we as viewers don't care because we don't know the xBs. They're just bodies to fall.
Sometimes I enjoy plot conveniences, they keep the storytelling efficient.
Remind me where/when/how it was established that the average Federation citizen knew Worf on sight (and not from him happening to be a Klingon in a Starfleet uniform, which doesn't say anything for how famous his particular face would be).
Time to turn in your Geek Card.
I finally rewatched the episode, and I'm grading it a 9. I even enjoyed the stuff on the Borg ship this time around, but the stuff with Rios and the crew was really really good. I especially loved them sitting at the table recapping everything that was happening and just putting the pieces together. That's classic Star Trek to me and it worked really well here. Looking forward to tonight's episode, and being able to take my mind off of what is happening in reality for a while.
She knew of him. We don't know that she would be able to recognize him if he had normal skin coloration.
I'm glad that Brent Spiner is acting again but I really don't want to see him as Beautiful Flower, or as yet another brother of Data but with the ability to age, or whatever else they do with Brent Spiner.
I got used to the idea that Dr. Noonien Soong was this extremely old man/creature from that episode "Brothers." In fact, I thought it was a completely different actor. Then later on, we got dreams and holograms of Soong and he's a regular dude that looks just like Data. So Soong made an android that looked just like him? It kind of diminishes the father/son dynamic to me and hints at purely being about a more direct form of immortality than just the idea of living through your children.
I mean, Data didn't create Lal to look just like him, so I would have thought that Data's physical appearance would have been somewhat unique. How to explain Lore? Hmmm. Maybe Soong he was like the prototype wasn't he? He's the defective version, Data's the improved upon model.
I got used to the idea that Dr. Noonien Soong was this extremely old man/creature from that episode "Brothers." In fact, I thought it was a completely different actor. Then later on, we got dreams and holograms of Soong and he's a regular dude that looks just like Data. So Soong made an android that looked just like him? It kind of diminishes the father/son dynamic to me and hints at purely being about a more direct form of immortality than just the idea of living through your children.
I mean, Data didn't create Lal to look just like him, so I would have thought that Data's physical appearance would have been somewhat unique. How to explain Lore? Hmmm. Maybe Soong he was like the prototype wasn't he? He's the defective version, Data's the improved upon model.
What?
"Computer deactivate EMH..."
That's what.
That said I kind of agree with you. If someone could override synth programming; they could sabotage holographic programming as well.
