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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x08 - "Broken Pieces"

Rate Episode 1x08 "Broken Pieces"

  • 10 - Fenris Rangers

    Votes: 57 24.1%

  • 9

    Votes: 94 39.7%

  • 8

    Votes: 48 20.3%

  • 7

    Votes: 19 8.0%

  • 6

    Votes: 8 3.4%

  • 5

    Votes: 6 2.5%

  • 4

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • 3

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • 2

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • 1 - Power Rangers

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Total voters
    237
Longinus said:
Picard only lectured Mintakans after their culture had been accidentally contaminated. And how many gods did Kirk kill? Why did he not respect the religion of the Vaal worshippers? And anyway, your definition of 'progressive' is bizarre; having a worldview based on scientific principle and empiricism and not letting one's thinking to be clouded by some ancient myths seems pretty progressive to me.
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Progressive as in allowing the freedom to believe and not necessarily denigrate the participants in that beliefs system. That's actually a progressive trait. Tolerance and live and let live. Sure, some beliefs are stupid and reactionary and make no logical sense but in a universe where people can get along with different viewpoints there's room to let people believe stupid things so long as they don't violate Federation law. ;)
 
What if the "big bad" that destroyed this ancient race was actually their own synths? They tired of being enslaved and rose up against their creators. During the conflict both the creators and synths were destroyed.

The last survivors put together the warning before their complete extinction and the Zhat Vash actually misunderstood the warning. ZV thought it said "make synths and be destroyed" while it actually said "mistreat your synths and be destroyed."
 
cooleddie74 said:
Progressive as in allowing the freedom to believe and not necessarily denigrate the participants in that beliefs system. That's actually a progressive trait. Tolerance and live and let live. Sure, some beliefs are stupid and reactionary and make no logical sense but in a universe where people can get along with different viewpoints there's room to let people believe stupid things so long as they don't violate Federation law. ;)
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There is absolutely no indication that believing in stupid things is somehow illegal in Federation. They merely have good education so that believing silly things is not that common. And sometimes education might effectively involve calling stupid things stupid.
 
Which I do. Routinely. I'm just saying...sometimes just letting someone believe something stupid and not starting unnecessary conflict is the progressive, peaceful and kind thing to do. Benjamin Sisko probably felt that the Bajoran beliefs system was wacky but he was designated as the Emissary by that society's religious and political leaders and knew that tolerating it was the road to a good relationship between the Federation and Bajor and the smoothest transition possible from Cardassian rule. It helped make his job easier even if it made him uncomfortable on a personal level.

Sometimes calling someone an idiot is the right thing to do. Sometimes it isn't. Star Trek seems to understand that to a large extent.
 
donners22 said:
9 for me. Some fabulous character moments - Picard speaking about Data was a beautiful scene, the holograms were hilarious, Raffi is getting better and Seven being briefly borgified again gave me chills.

However, I am bothered by the clumsy handwaving of Jurati's actions. She says sorry for murder, and everyone's fine with that as long as she hands herself in at some point? She murders her inspiration and lover to prevent hell, but will accept hell because Soji is cool? There's a vague suggestion that she was influenced by the mind meld rather than rationally considering her actions, but it's all very shallowly done.
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I gave the episode a 10 but I do agree with you on Juratti. For her to kind of half jokingly say she's done murdering people is kinda cringey. I think I am just exhausted with that character.
 
In her defense though, it is a time honored Trek tradition to immediately forgive actions committed under some kind of alien influence. Lol
 
Kevman7987 said:
What if the "big bad" that destroyed this ancient race was actually their own synths? They tired of being enslaved and rose up against their creators. During the conflict both the creators and synths were destroyed.

The last survivors put together the warning before their complete extinction and the Zhat Vash actually misunderstood the warning. ZV thought it said "make synths and be destroyed" while it actually said "mistreat your synths and be destroyed."
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Sounds like the androids on Exo III.
 
Harry was still a giant, hammy douche but at least any homicidal proclivities have been eliminated or at the very least tempered.
 
Just did another watch and came up with some idle speculation. Seven makes a big deal about how reactivating the cube will undermine the free will of the XBs and pull them back into the Collective. One way for the writers to do an end-run around Hugh getting sucked back in would be to take him out of commission via Narissa's pig-sticker, then have Seven nanoprobe him back onto his feet once the Romulans had been driven off.

Big reach and I doubt that's where it's going, but where there's technobabble, there's hope.
 
Lynn Minmay said:
Were all the Borg wiped out during the purge?
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The majority of them, it seems, but not all. Narissa killed off a couple dozen XBs in eps 7 and 8, then spaced all of the dormant drones. But there were enough XB left to overwhelm the remaining Romulans.
 
Greg Cox said:
Trust me. Old people curse. Heck, Helen Mirren has famously stated that if there was one thing she would tell her younger self, it would be to tell people to "fuck off" more frequently.

If it's good enough for Helen Mirren, it's good enough for Admiral Clancy! :)
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I'm aware old people curse. But the way it's done here is for laughs, in what should be a serious moment. It's almost like breaking the fourth wall to give us a cute moment at the expense of characterization. A Starfleet Admiral is faced with the fact that the Romulan conspiracy is real and that Starfleet is compromised. Should be a serious moment. Instead, we get Betty White as a Star Fleet admiral for lulz.
Raffi earlier is geeking out over the conspiracy being real. Sitcom nerds or TV characters saying stuff like that in serious situations is practically a stereotype. To the viewer, a conspiracy that has killed thousands of people and endangers everyone involved is kinda cool. To people actually living through something like that and is in a quasi-like military organization, and has their own life at risk...ehh, I don't think that's naturalistic dialogue.
Jurati referencing Star Wars movies AND saying an expression that became popularized during the current superhero movie craze...doesn't ring true for a character 400 years in the future. It sounds more like it'd fit in for a TV show/movie set in the present day, and one that probably skews to the comedic side, or generic action type.
 
The Old Mixer said:
I think people aren't giving the way Jurati is being handled enough credit. She's in the unique position of being torn between both sides of the issue. On the one hand, she's seen the Admonition and it affected her enough to make her do something terrible; on the other hand, she's awed by the wonder of what she was supposed to be trying to destroy.
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It doesn't sound like she's being torn. It sounds like she meant to sabotage Picard's mission, murdered to fulfill that aim. Then she has a change of heart, expels the tracking device. Then meets Soji and geeks out over her, and then says in a cringey jokey-way, she's done murdering, in an effort to let the viewer know she's back on the good guys' team.

How can she say herself that she's on the up and up now? Isn't her mind poisoned? How can she even trust herself enough to make a statement like that? Why isn't she confined somewhere? Why are they letting her interract with Soji. Who knows what other suprises she might have up her sleeve. Maybe she'll go nuts again.

And also, if this vision can drive people insane, why did Commodore Oh share it with Jurati in order for her to be a spy? Wasn't she taking a big risk that Jurati would go nuts too and therefore...no spy?
 
Thomas Elliot said:
It doesn't sound like she's being torn. It sounds like she meant to sabotage Picard's mission, murdered to fulfill that aim. Then she has a change of heart, expels the tracking device. Then meets Soji and geeks out over her, and then says in a cringey jokey-way, she's done murdering, in an effort to let the viewer know she's back on the good guys' team.

How can she say herself that she's on the up and up now? Isn't her mind poisoned? How can she even trust herself enough to make a statement like that? Why isn't she confined somewhere? Why are they letting her interract with Soji. Who knows what other suprises she might have up her sleeve. Maybe she'll go nuts again.

And also, if this vision can drive people insane, why did Commodore Oh share it with Jurati in order for her to be a spy? Wasn't she taking a big risk that Jurati would go nuts too and therefore...no spy?
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The information was transferred to Jurati via 2nd hand mind meld, which probably means the Commodore was careful to only show Jurati just enough to get her to help.

It would probably send Jurati mad if she used the beacon, yet I would put money on Soji being fine.
 
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