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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x08 - "Broken Pieces"

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LOL, computers report all kinds of thing you don't ask it to do, like crashes, bugs, drives disconnecting, when a virus is detected. I don't have to query it. Certainly someone murdering someone in front of the EMH would make it report because the creator would have programmed it to auto-report when something goes wrong (or it witnesses a crime).
That's a pretty big assumption.
We're talking about the 24th Century here, folks no longer automatically assume that other people will be constantly nefarious.

And what you suggested has to do with the program saving itself, not someone or something else.

Also, Agnes shut it OFF.
How does it override that if there isn't a prescribed emergency?
It didn't come back on till she was just about in a coma much later on.
 
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What’s it all about, Alfie?!

About 10 episodes of 45-50 minutes each. But other than that, I’m still left without a sense of the greater story they’re telling.

In other words, what’s it all about?

There are a lot of elements in the show in the show. You’ve got the Romulan refugees, the former Borg reclaiming their lives, the secret Romulan agency within a secret Romulan agency, and finally the prophecy that synths will end flesh-and-blood life.

But those elements are not coming together in a cohesive story.

There’s also a lot of things that could possible be themes—i.e. what the story is about, exploring and trying to say something about it. There’s PTSD, shared trauma, etc.

However, none of these “thematic” possibilities are explored in any meaningful way. It’s all superficial. No substance. No weight.

"The initial germ of having Hugh involved," Chabon explained, "and that he would die came from the natural discussions of, what does it mean to have been Borg? So once we sort of committed to a big part of our season being about the lives of former Borg — Ex Bs, as we call them — and exploring how their lives are traumatized [from that experience], how they have or have not dealt with that trauma, and how they remain these objects of fear and hatred even though they were victimized by the Borg, to put Hugh in the center of that lead to what felt like a dramatic way to service the character's end.”
—Michael Chabon in a recent Hollywood Reporter article.

That was about last week’s storyline. However, everything Chabon says may have been authorial intent but none of that is on the actual screen. It’s very hand-wavy. There’s no real exploration of that potential theme of shared trauma.

I say potential theme because the show has none it’s fully exploring. It’s using bits of what could be themes in the most unsubstantial ways.

We get really close to substance here with Rios's trauma and Agnes’s regret in this episode. Frankly, the Rios story made this episode a lot better for me than the last one. Yet, the show missed an opportunity with Rios’s holographic broken pieces.

The holograms should’ve been different aspects of Rios personality rather than different accented versions of himself. Think “Inside Me.” Fractured bits that represent Rios’s emotions and state of mind. But they're just there to exposit for Raffi’s investigation.

I’m afraid this show isn’t going to stick the landing in its final two episodes.
 
About the comment Picard makes about Data's emotions..

He didn't say that Data was incapable of feeling emotions or such, just that his ability to handle them was limited, which is entirely possible if not likely given the fact that they are not natural to him like they were to Lore, they were added by a chip which..

A: Wasn't actually installed in Data, but into Lore (by deception)

B: Was removed from Lore and possibly damaged when Data shot him.

So it's not unreasonable that while Data had access to emotions, they were of a more simple, limited capacity than an organic being who had them from the start.

And yes, it was fused into Data's neural net in Generations, yet by Insurrection it seems they were able to remove it. In FC Data was able to just turn it off.
 
It fused into his head in Generations, but at some point he became able to turn it off (FC, INS?).

By the time of Insurrection the issue of it being fused was apparently resolved as “he didn’t take it with him” to Bak’u.
 
The holograms should’ve been different aspects of Rios personality rather than different accented versions of himself. Think “Inside Me.” Fractured bits that represent Rios’s emotions and state of mind. But they're just there to exposit for Raffi’s investigation.
I think you missed the part where one of the EH's tells Raffi that Chris did a half-arsed job setting them up initially and then began tinkering with them afterward by basically deleting things.
 
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And what you suggested has to do with the program saving itself, not someone or something else.
My computer also sends me notifications of missed calls, interesting news, instant messages, people replying to my posts. This is a silly conversation. You know you're just grasping at straws.
The Qowat Milat are an order of warrior nuns, not an individual. And for fair comparison, how many bad Romulans with names and faces have we met? Oh (1/2 a Romulan), Narissa, Narek...? I'm drawing a blank beyond that...just goons following Oh's or Narissa's orders.
The whole of that village was ok with letting a Senator murder Picard over knocking over a sign. And, yeah, goons count. I doubt you make excuses for random SS soldiers in WWII dramas.
 
I think you missed the part where one of the EH's tells Raffi that Chris did a half-arsed job setting them up initiall,y and then began tinkering with them afterward by basically deleting things.

Yes, I did get that part. I heard it quite clearly. What I'm taking about is that the show missed an opportunity to do something clever with the "broken pieces" instead of just being Santiago Cabrera doing different accents.

It wasted the potential to do a deep dive into Rios's psychology.
 
One thing I thought I noticed and was able to just confirm:
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So what's Data doing in a 200,000 year old vision?
 
My computer also sends me notifications of missed calls, interesting news, instant messages, people replying to my posts. This is a silly conversation. You know you're just grasping at straws.
All things that were added into the programming of your computer after the fact of its basic set up and have to be asked for at some point.
You computer doesn't just turn itself on and tell you all that stuff without you programming it to do so and hitting a switch.
Again, it's the 24th Century, people don't have the mindset that someone is going to mess with the EMH to do evil.

Also, you're being purposely contradictory just to try and prove your point, it has nothing to do with me attempting to "grasp at straws".

You are also ignoring the fact that Dr. Juarti essentially turned the EMH back to its idle mode.
 
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It's probably not programmed to do anything proactive. And to address your follow-up, I can't recall that it was activated between Maddox's death and Jurati disabling the tracker. This episode was the first that anyone had a chance to talk to it, and Raffi was already on it.

This whole line of questioning always bugged me. If there had been some sort of protocol that forced the EMH to activate itself and inform people about murders in sick bay, surely Jurati would have just turned it off.
 
Here's the most disappointing part of the story. Picard isn't driving the action or story since they left Earth. "Motivating narrative tool" is a good way to put it.

This isn't the character-driven Picard story we were promised.

The only reason the story is moving forward is because Picard decided to get to snooping about after Dahj came to him.

The notion that Picard isn't the motivating force, or at minimum the instigating element, is absolutely nonsensical
 
The notion that Picard isn't the motivating force, or at minimum the instigating element, is absolutely nonsensical
He is motivating, hence the sentence “motivating narrative tool”. He just has no personal stake. When this is over how will Picard be changed? What will he learn? Not in a mechanical, factual way. On a personal level.
 
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