Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x08 - "Broken Pieces"

[Unimatrix Q]

Yeah, but there were a lot more before she gunned half of them down during that fight.

Everybody is speculating heavily about the Tkon Empire, what if it was the Iconians?

Moving stars was the schtick of the Tkon, while the Iconians were all about the gateway technology. That's why i think it's the Tkon.

 

[DaveyNY]

Just how much autonomy do the Zhat Vash have? Because I highly doubt the Romulan Praetor, Senate, or even the Tal Shiar will willingly fund the Zhat Vash to doom their own homeworld over a fairytale.

Laris explained way back when to Jean-Luc that the Zhat Vash were even more secretive than the Tal Shair.
In fact she said (paraphrasing here) that everybody believed it was just a story to scare Romulan children.
I doubt that there were any obvious connections to the Romulan Senate or that anybody other than actual members knew the whole truth.

It seemed from her description, that until the recent happenings with Dahj, no one not in-the-know actually believed that the Zhat Vash existed.
Even she had her doubts till that point in Dahj's apt.

 

[eschaton]

I'm really curious to see Soji's "homeworld" next week. Discovering Rios met her doppelganger nine years ago - along with another synth - means there's a whole civilization of them. How the heck did Maddox accomplish this all by his lonesome? Why did he even have a "lab" in the Federation if he had access to that stuff? Something doesn't quite add up.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Just how much autonomy do the Zhat Vash have? Because I highly doubt the Romulan Praetor, Senate, or even the Tal Shiar will willingly fund the Zhat Vash to doom their own homeworld over a fairytale.

I don't think the Zhat Vash have any authority from the Romulan government. They appear to be more of a doomsday cult operating completing on their own.

 

[NeoStar9]

That was I was thinking. This big threat that comes when a civilisation reaches a certain level is just the Reapers. Where’s Sheppard when you need him?

I can't lie but that's right where my mind went when that part was revealed and I don't mind that at all. It's a good story idea and in the context of Star Trek is makes sense. Warp drive as they said usually acts as a trigger for first contact with a world. We see that in TNG. Why wouldn't advances in other ares result in the same thing with another civilization.

Borg Queen Seven is trippy. Like said you could hear the old Borg Queen's voice coming through which made that whole situation even more unsettling. It felt like she didn't really want to give up that control either which she figured might happen. Can't wait to see them do that again. Getting that backstory on Narissa was really nice. They needed to give her a softer side to balance her out. I am curious though if she actually got her aunt out first before killing the xBs. Unless I missed a scene.

Really loved this episode. This season has been really good and looking forward to seeing how it ends and what they leave us with as we go into season 2.

 

[DaveyNY]

I'm really curious to see Soji's "homeworld" next week. Discovering Rios met her doppelganger nine years ago - along with another synth - means there's a whole civilization of them. How the heck did Maddox accomplish this all by his lonesome? Why did he even have a "lab" in the Federation if he had access to that stuff? Something doesn't quite add up.

I think Maddox somehow got wind of the planets existence after he was shut down and went looking on his own.
(maybe from info he gleaned from examining B4?)

Once he got there, he convinced the residents to try contacting the outside world again like they did with Rios and his Captain Vandermeer.

 

[eschaton]

The best Star Trek twist for this would be as follows:

The extinct race developed advanced synthetic life, and enslaved them. Once the threshold was hit, they were wiped clean off the map by some sort of advanced energy being.

However, the reason for doing so was because they enslaved another sentient race. Other races can avoid this just by treating synths with the dignity and respect as sentient lifeforms they deserve.

 

[eschaton]

I think Maddox somehow got wind of the planets existence after he was shut down and went looking on his own.
Once he got there, he convinced the residents to try contacting the outside world again like they did with Rios and his Captain.

Yeah, but the girl synth was Soji's doppelganger. And we know that her likeness came from a painting that Data did. Meaning Data's neurons must have been involved in the creation nine years ago. Which means that (provided you don't think that Soong is there) Maddox must have already been involved nine years ago.

 

[Tuskin38]

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[DaveyNY]

Yeah, but the girl synth was Soji's doppelganger. And we know that her likeness came from a painting that Data did. Meaning Data's neurons must have been involved in the creation nine years ago. Which means that (provided you don't think that Soong is there) Maddox must have already been involved nine years ago.

What if there's only two models.
The Dahj/Soji female one and perhaps a male one (DATA?) we haven't seen yet?

More hearkening back to "I MUDD".

 

[eschaton]

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Either they're doing a "disaster" episode, or they don't want to give away much of the plot for next week.

 

[eschaton]

What if there's only two models.
The Soji one and perhaps a male one we havent seen yet?

The male model may well have been someone we've already seen. It would just have to have been someone that Rios hasn't seen.

Who has been present in the series that Rios hasn't met yet?

 

[Romulan_spy]

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I think I did the math right. When Picard says they did 25 l.y in 15 mn that comes to 876,533 times the speed of light which is about 4 times faster than warp 9.9999

 

[DaveyNY]

The male model may well have been someone we've already seen. It would just have to have been someone that Rios hadn't seen.

Who has been present in the series that Rios hasn't met yet?

What if it's DATA and all the backstory about Soong doing his thing was just a big LIE that the good Dr. put out there?

Maybe he came across the Android Home world as well.

 

[Quinton]

Every single second of screentime devoted to Picard, Soji, Rios or Raffi was exceptional this week. Seven and Elnor were also good. I still can't forgive Jurati but I appreciate that the series doesn't seem to want to shove universal redemption down my throat; she's owning up to her actions and that's good enough for me. (That said, I suspect she'll end up staying on Soji's homeworld somehow in a more positive sort of penance.)

That flash that occurred during the last bit of the "Narissa fails at life" scene -- was that her transporting away? I doubt it but I feel like I blinked and I missed something. I haven't had the chance to head home and rewatch the episode yet.

There's a squadron awaiting the La Sirena over at Deep Space 12. I wonder if any of them are familiar faces. More importantly, I suppose, I wonder if any of them will even manage to catch up to Picard now that he and his crew are teching the tech so fast and so far away? :P

 

[Quinton]

Also, crazy, stupid, but-dude-what-if idea:

Narek is the male synth.

"Whoops!"

 

[DaveyNY]

Also, crazy, stupid, but-dude-what-if idea:

Narek is the male synth.

"Whoops!"

Would explain his feelings for Soji.

Is this a mind-blown kinda thing?

Would also explain how he knew where the Transwarp Conduit opening was to follow the La Sirena.

Maybe after he lost the tracker in Agnes he honed in on Soji?

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Also, crazy, stupid, but-dude-what-if idea:

Narek is the male synth.

"Whoops!"

I suggested that, too. He did mention to Soji that he lost a brother, "though not a twin", both of which of course he might just have made up to chat Soji up. (Actually, I initially thought that Rizzo was transsexual, so he lost a brother but gained a sister.... and she is his synth twin.)
Apart from Data, I cannot think of anyone else who is male.

 

[DaveyNY]

That flash that occurred during the last bit of the "Narissa fails at life" scene -- was that her transporting away? I doubt it but I feel like I blinked and I missed something. I haven't had the chance to head home and rewatch the episode yet.

Yes, she did beam out.
I wonder if any of the Xb's managed to somehow inject her with Borg Nanites?

That would be a just end for her instead of dying.

 

[DaveyNY]

Apart from Data, I cannot think of anyone else who is male.

Supposedly, we are going to see Data again before the series ends.

Though I assumed it would be another dream sequence of Jean-Luc.

I'm trying to think of a way that Narissa could be a synth, but one would think that Oh would have been especially careful about checking for that.