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Spoilers Episode 7 "Nepenthe"

Rate 1x07 Nepenthe

  • 10 - Wild Beard Riker

    Votes: 110 36.9%
  • 9

    Votes: 95 31.9%
  • 8

    Votes: 53 17.8%
  • 7

    Votes: 22 7.4%
  • 6

    Votes: 7 2.3%
  • 5 - Full Beard Riker

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • 4

    Votes: 4 1.3%
  • 3

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • 2

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • 1 - Season 1 Riker

    Votes: 3 1.0%

  • Total voters
    298
I've already acknowledged that. I am asking why is it Ok to make fun of people because they are French?
The answer is, it's not.
But most French folks don't feel stigmatized by being called the proper name of their home country.

Whereas being called "a retard" or "retarded" is neither a place anybody wants to live, nor be associated with.

It's just extremely hurtful and more than rude in today's society.

And again, I'm simply asking that you respect another human beings feelings and refrain from using it as a slur in the future.
 
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But before that he mentions who caused the danger before, and I think he says Kzinti.

That doesn't make sense, copyright-wise, so I presumed I misheard Xindi. But upon relistening, it's definitely multiple syllables like Ka-zin-ti. Maybe it's a new race that sounds like that. We'll know for sure on Thursday when a copy of the episode is released without Japanese subtitles. But if it is the first post-1973 reference to the Kzinti, that is going to be a big deal for some people.

It was enough for me to give the episode a 10. As to the copyright, I'm not sure how an offhand mention is handled since they appeared in an episode before. I guess it would depend on Niven's contract back then and when he used them in a Star Trek comic strip.

Yeah. Wrong franchise. :)

No, it's the right franchise. The Kzinti showed up in the TAS episode "The Slaver Weapon". I assume you know this but making the reference for those that are confused.

Did they really namedrop the Kzinti? Isn't there some rights issue with even mentioning them?

I would like to know this as well. I know I spoke to Larry Niven about this 7 or 8 years ago, but all I remember is he was unhappy when they had Alan Dean Foster novelize this episode as he felt like he was competing with his own story.

CBS gained the rights some time in the last eighteen months, IIRC.

Do you have a source for this? I can't find anything and the latest Baen Books Man-Kzin Wars anthology released a year ago only says "Copyright 2019 by Larry Niven".

And yet they have no problem with namedropping the Kzinti now. New fans are going to have fun trying to fit Larry Niven's books into Star Trek. :lol:

The episode they appeared in originally mentioned 4 previous wars with Earth, there used to be a bunch of fan articles about how to try to reconcile that with Trek history.

I'm just impressed we got a Kzinti reference of all things. This makes the first appearance of the Kzinti(even if just a spoken name) in live-action canon though had ENT been renewed for a fifth season we were probably going to be introduced to them as a mid-22nd century adversary around the time of the Earth-Romulan War.

My favorite reference of the series so far, loved it. For the record, I think Kzin may have been shown in a star chart on stream during TNG? But to actually hear it said out loud, and even pronounced correctly, that was pretty awesome.
 
It was enough for me to give the episode a 10. As to the copyright, I'm not sure how an offhand mention is handled since they appeared in an episode before. I guess it would depend on Niven's contract back then and when he used them in a Star Trek comic strip.



No, it's the right franchise. The Kzinti showed up in the TAS episode "The Slaver Weapon". I assume you know this but making the reference for those that are confused.



I would like to know this as well. I know I spoke to Larry Niven about this 7 or 8 years ago, but all I remember is he was unhappy when they had Alan Dean Foster novelize this episode as he felt like he was competing with his own story.



Do you have a source for this? I can't find anything and the latest Baen Books Man-Kzin Wars anthology released a year ago only says "Copyright 2019 by Larry Niven".



The episode they appeared in originally mentioned 4 previous wars with Earth, there used to be a bunch of fan articles about how to try to reconcile that with Trek history.



My favorite reference of the series so far, loved it. For the record, I think Kzin may have been shown in a star chart on stream during TNG? But to actually hear it said out loud, and even pronounced correctly, that was pretty awesome.
So it’s not these chaps?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kzin
 
It kind of is. Niven adapted one of his stories, Kzinti and all, into a TAS episode at Gene Roddenberry's request. The wikipedia article mentions the episode.
Didn’t know that. So there are two cat like aliens in Trek. Who knew?
 
I'm just impressed we got a Kzinti reference of all things. This makes the first appearance of the Kzinti(even if just a spoken name) in live-action canon though had ENT been renewed for a fifth season we were probably going to be introduced to them as a mid-22nd century adversary around the time of the Earth-Romulan War.
The Kzinti thing was cool, but after the Kirk-like way they described Picard (all rampaging id) in perhaps an attempt to manufacture drama, I wonder if Chabon needs a reminder that Picard is from TNG, not his favorite series TOS.
So is Thad the only one who got this disease? Or are there thousands of people dying due to the synth ban? I'm not sure the writers thought of the ramifications of all of this...
I thought of it as an allegory about the broader ramifications of synth ban research akin to bans on stem cell research, and how these things effect many people indeed.
 
Do you have a source for this? I can't find anything and the latest Baen Books Man-Kzin Wars anthology released a year ago only says "Copyright 2019 by Larry Niven".
On the trademark side of IP, I did a search of USPTO's database, and there's none for "Kzin" or "Kzinti". Using just those words should be fine, then, as long as they're not connected to Niven's copyrighted concept of big alien felines. Since Riker's usage in the episode is context-free, he could just as easily have been talking about tiny alien lizards.
 
Ok, I think this was the best episode of the series so far, I gave it a 9 out of 10.

Strangely, the reason I liked it had nothing to do with Picard's mission. It was seeing the Riker family and learning of the tragedy they suffered. It explained a lot about why they left Starfleet and the reason they chose that planet to live on. Their daughter was great and you can really feel the friendship she forged with Soji in just a short time. Very well written episode. Sorry it had to end.
 
Will, Deanna and Kestra must not eat very much, and judging from Riker's gut that's not likely. :lol:
 
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