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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

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She just said that he disappeared after the ban went into effect. That could have been anytime between 2385 and 2399.

I think it's likely it was at least say five years before 2399. Didn't they say that Dahj/Soji have been in existence for like 3-4 years? I don't think Maddox could have created her until after he went into hiding.
 
Continuing on the Borg angle, Maddox's disappearance led me to the question of how long he has been using Borg tech to create androids. Was he always using them (e.g. for the ones on Mars too), or did he only resort to them after he was forced to go underground in 2385, eventually culminating in the creation of Dahj and Soji three years ago?
I doubt it myself as the Federation was more than advanced enough to create the Synth workers.

Data's creation was another matter though just as Dahj and Soji are but I dont think the positronic brain alone required Borg tech either.
 
I think it's likely it was at least say five years before 2399. Didn't they say that Dahj/Soji have been in existence for like four years? I don't think Maddox could have created her until after he went into hiding.

That makes sense. There's no official record of Soji until around 2396 and he'd have had to have been working on her up until she was activated and came to life.
 
If so then we just had this with Voq/Tyler. I know Trek has a long history of stealing from themselves, but usually they wait a few years to do it.
What if Jurati is actually a Romulan that went full under like Voq did.

Rizzo posed as human with no trouble at all.
 
TOS was a show with improved but still flawed humans and an ostensibly superior alien who observed and commented upon humanity's flaws.

TNG was a show with ostensibly superior humans who observed and commented upon humanity's flaws as personified by aliens of the week.
That's not entirely true. The TOS people were incredibly improved - so much so, that the concept of honest racism was so alien to them, they only knew it from history books. McCoy often made mocking remarks about Spock's heritage. But the thought that people actually meant that way of thought (from the two-colored aliens to space-Lincoln) was so alien to them, it had to be explained. Similarly the concept of regular crime, poverty, class divide, common disease and all that was merely theoretical for them.

They were still very, very human all the time though. They had anger, emotions, cracked jokes, and displayed very human behaviour all around.

TNGs humans seemed weirdly cold. They didn't grieve, fight, or mocked each other. We were also told that was "evolutionary", which was weird, whereas Kirk & co.'s superiority was clearly learned behaviour.

All around I'm happy Trek went back more to the TOS approach of "real" humans. But I think they overcorrected, and missed that even TOS' humans were incredibly advanced - even by today's standards, let alone the 60s.
 
What if Jurati is actually a Romulan that went full under like Voq did.

Rizzo posed as human with no trouble at all.
then they'll go all disco and by the end of the season, Jurati is a Romulan, Rios is a hologram, or a bunch of holograms. Elnor is NOT the Elnor the Picard knew as a boy but a Mirror Universe Elnor who is evil. Raffi is in fact the head of Section 32, an agency even more secret than Section 31 and Zhat Vash, and the Ferengi Department of Refunds combined.
 
That's not entirely true. The TOS people were incredibly improved - so much so, that the concept of honest racism was so alien to them, they only knew it from history books. McCoy often made mocking remarks about Spock's heritage. But the thought that people actually meant that way of thought (from the two-colored aliens to space-Lincoln) was so alien to them, it had to be explained. Similarly the concept of regular crime, poverty, class divide, common disease and all that was merely theoretical for them.

They were still very, very human all the time though. They had anger, emotions, cracked jokes, and displayed very human behaviour all around.

TNGs humans seemed weirdly cold. They didn't grieve, fight, or mocked each other. We were also told that was "evolutionary", which was weird, whereas Kirk & co.'s superiority was clearly learned behaviour.

All around I'm happy Trek went back more to the TOS approach of "real" humans. But I think they overcorrected, and missed that even TOS' humans were incredibly advanced - even by today's standards, let alone the 60s.
I don't think this is entirely accurate. Kirk didn't reprimand Styles for his thoughts. Just to keep his bigotry in his quarters.
 
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then they'll go all disco and by the end of the season, Jurati is a Romulan, Rios is a hologram, or a bunch of holograms. Elnor is NOT the Elnor the Picard knew as a boy but a Mirror Universe Elnor who is evil. Raffi is in fact the head of Section 32, an agency even more secret than Section 31 and Zhat Vash, and the Ferengi Department of Refunds combined.
Also, Michael Burnham is a synth and half-sister to Soji and Dahj, sent back in time to prevent her becoming the Destroyer. Just to keep up with Discovery's habit of Burnham collecting moms like other people collect stamps.
 
Also, Michael Burnham is a synth and half-sister to Soji and Dahj, sent back in time to prevent her becoming the Destroyer. Just to keep up with Discovery's habit of Burnham collecting moms like other people collect stamps.

:lol:

her third father was whatever Soong came between ENT Soong and TNG Soong.
 
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