I don’t know why the writing assumption wasn’t that they’d all be seen as highly irresponsible anyway and deemed dangerous for Starfleet duty. Kirk took major risks because his crew or entire civilizations were at stake, not to show off.
It was the characters that thought they'd be viewed with awe. Characters make mistakes, they make wrong decisions.I don’t know why the writing assumption wasn’t that they’d all be seen as highly irresponsible anyway and deemed dangerous for Starfleet duty.
It was the characters that thought they'd be viewed with awe. Characters make mistakes, they make wrong decisions.
If the manouver had succeeded they would (should)have been kicked out of Starfleet or pretty much what happened.No, Picard never says “But you all missed one thing, didn’t you? Even if you’d made Academy history, no reasonable starship captain would’ve requested you for their command!”
I mean Locarno and the others aren’t clueless in that story: they know full well that if the maneuver had succeeded, they would’ve had graduation glory on top of their other achievements. Imagine an actual pilot doing something risky with their plane in violation of an explicit, official ban. What does that say about Starfleet?
Speaking of what might have happened is academic at that point. They effed up, a man is dead. That's where Picard is focused.No, Picard never says “But you all missed one thing, didn’t you? Even if you’d made Academy history, no reasonable starship captain would’ve requested you for their command!”
The episode itself never makes it seem like the Starburst was a good idea, except from the perspective of four overconfident cadets.
Maybe Picard was referring to the Wesley Crusher commandment.I wanna know if the truth really is the first duty of a Starfleet officer in the handbook somewhere or did Picard make that up on the spot
No, Picard never says “But you all missed one thing, didn’t you? Even if you’d made Academy history, no reasonable starship captain would’ve requested you for their command!”
I mean Locarno and the others aren’t clueless in that story: they know full well that if the maneuver had succeeded, they would’ve had graduation glory on top of their other achievements. Imagine an actual pilot doing something risky with their plane in violation of an explicit, official ban. What does that say about Starfleet?
I wanna know if the truth really is the first duty of a Starfleet officer in the handbook somewhere or did Picard make that up on the spot
No he doesn't. When Picard speaks of graduating a legend/blaze of glory, he is speaking of what he thinks Locarno convinced the other cadets to go along with. He's attempting to recontruct the same picture that Locarno painted for Red Squad. That's why he says, "Am I correct?" after saying it.No, Picard makes it clear that it would’ve been fabulous for all of them… if only they’d succeeded.
It was his last appearance until the next one?That would be Wesley's last episode (until he returned briefly later on),
Joshua was killed in a practice run. Evidently, their maneuvers are not closely monitored on the flight range, so they knew they could practice without being discovered.
Starfleet rewards risky behavior and breaking the rules if it gets the job done.
That's why he says, "Am I correct?" after saying it.
"They're smart enough" is a dangerous assumption in the best of cases... I could easily see guys and gals of that age completely blind to the way the world really works. I mean, that's not a dangerous assumption at all, looking around.
Timo Saloniemi
No, it's my opinion that they thought they'd absolutely get away with it. Doesn't mean they actually would have though, people convince themselves of incorrect things all the time. I know I do. Is this one of them? I don't know.Are you saying they not only openly defied the ban, but weren’t even sure they’d get away with it?
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