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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

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This episode seems very polarizing, even compared to prior episodes and Discovery. I've been reading here and elsewhere and have seen comments that call it the best of the series, and others that call it one of the worst of the entire franchise.
 
They didn't "have a deal", they made a deal. And their reasons were just "Eh, let's sell him for money." There was no organic story reason that connected to anything else. It was just tossed off and random and utterly uninspired.
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He was asking for more money, and had apparently asked before. So she was apparently some sort of loan shark (although I imagine he also purchased re-used robot parts from her).

The original plan was to kill him, so he wouldn't bother her business again, but she realized she could make money off of his ransom, even though it was tricky with the Tal Shiar.
 
Speaking of easter eggs, it grinds my gears that we've had four episodes in a row with people talking about "profit" and payment and we have yet to hear anyone mention gold-pressed latinum. We got an utterly pointless Quark name-drop, but even in a casino, we don't see or hear about a single friggin' strip?

Get it together, Picard!!!
 
But there's no suggestion or implication of that whatsoever. She was just doing her "Ranger" thing (another bit of nonsense I won't delve into.)

Honestly, this show feels like it was written by an eight-year-old who just jammed a bunch of unrelated Trek concepts together with almost no thought.

"Um, Romulans! But also, BORG! And, uh, Data and androids, too! Oh, and then Seven of Nine shows up and has two blasters and blows everyone away! COOOOOL!"


Might be a case of "too many cooks in the kitchen."
 
I don't think they had the deal yet, but were looking to broker one. That's why they were meeting with Rios.
yeah, they tried to cut their losses their business with Maddox brought by offering them to the Tal Shiar but had no means to contact them directly.
 
How is there even a Tal Shiar that's still feared? I thought the Klingons would have wiped them out after Romulus' destruction in retaliation for Khitomer and everything else.

Pretty sure Kirstie Alley was at least approached. By all accounts Brophy wasn't. He was reported to have been surprised when a fan told him about Maddox and Picard show.
 
Think Jurati will have to do some reprogramming or sabotage so the hologram himself doesn't spill the beans.
I haven't seen the whole episode yet but I have seen the end part and it feels really off to me.

How exactly does she get away with that, the EMH saw her and did nothing until it was dismissed, there must be alarms as well.

Was that really Maddox or was it a hologram, it would be nice if there are some on the ship who didn't fall for Jurati just happening to turn up at the chateau when she did.

Jurati was full of shit before the Commodore got to her, I knew that 1000 years away line was bullshit as soon as she said it.

Now the question is what did Commodore Oh show her to make her do a full 180 degree heel turn, as has been speculated did the pre split Vulcans create the Borg, it looks to me like a group of people have scared themselves stupid.

I would love to see them show us that they tricked Jurati in the next episode, if not surely no one will believe her if she tries to talk her way out of it, he wasn't critical and just needed rest.

Having them confront Jurati could be the trigger for her to spill the beans about what this is really all about, not holding my breath though as its been slow going so far.
 
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The Jurati/Maddox stuff really killed this episode. And I’m not even talking about the secret agent murder bit. I was digging the chocolate chip cookie scene with its mixed generation “why would you do that weird old-time thing” banter until the kissing began. I physically gagged. He’s not just a creepy old guy fetishizing a young woman. He’s her mentor. It had no impact on the later drama when she killed him. It was just pointlessly gross, like graphically pulling that kid’s eye out or having 7 shooting him while hugging. Everything is extreme on this show and to no real purpose.
 
The end really showed the contrast between VOY Seven and PIC Seven. In Voyager, Janeway would've talked Seven down from killing Bjayzl. And then that would've been the end of it. In Picard, Seven only pretends to be talked down. Then, later on, she beams down and then goes into full-on Bad-Ass Mode.

The actress who plays Bjayzl, Necar Zadegan, is Iranian. I'm half-Iranian. So that was great to find out.
She is a main cast member in NCIS New Orleans in case you were not aware, I recognised her instantly.
 
They didn't "have a deal", they made a deal. And their reasons were just "Eh, let's sell him for money." There was no organic story reason that connected to anything else. It was just tossed off and random and utterly uninspired.
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Dude, you need to SERIOUSLY relax. Or just not watch the show. This isn't your Daddy's Star Trek. It TV-MA, more mature. There is going to by violence, blood, cursing.

You also are doing some SERIOUS nit picking, and getting super ANGRY over the weirdest things. Did you just want a show with old men talking all day?
 
The FSB in Russia is still killing people and causing international trouble even though the Soviet Union and the old KGB no longer exist. Old habits die hard.
Having been to Russia multiple times, there's a huge difference between a government collapsing and an entire planet being physically destroyed.
 
This episode seems very polarizing, even compared to prior episodes and Discovery. I've been reading here and elsewhere and have seen comments that call it the best of the series, and others that call it one of the worst of the entire franchise.

Exact opposite, it's the best of the franchise.
 
Having been to Russia multiple times, there's a huge difference between a government collapsing and an entire planet being physically destroyed.

Not all Tal Shiar were on Romulus when the shockwave hit. ;) Secret police can be notoriously stubborn to go away.
 
To be fair, it's highly likely that Jurati is being mind-controlled.

I don't know. I'm not getting a mind-control vibe here. She looked genuinely anguished there at the end, and not in a "fighting against my brainwashing" kinda way. And why are we assuming that Oh mind-melded with Agnes? Just because Oh is Vulcan?

Agnes obviously had secrets even before she ran into Oh, since she clearly knows more about Dahj and her twin than she led Picard to believe when they first met. Sounds to me like Oh "turned" her simply by revealing some Terrible Secret that has yet to revealed. Probably something to do with the surviving twin (whose name I can't remember how to spell) being the "Destroyer" and all that.

That scene at the end was a woman killing her lover/mentor/chocolate-chip-buddy because Oh convinced her the safety of the galaxy depends on it.
 
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