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Spoilers Zhat Vash created the Borg?

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Theory:

Zhat Vash created the first Borg collective thousands of years ago. Zhat Vash badly bungled the creation of the first “perfect synth” at a key moment when it can either go well or go badly. The result was the creation of the Borg, and the first Borg cube.

Known as “The Artifact” in the show. It’s ancient.

In a panic, the Zhat Vash use a wormhole to send the rapidly evolving cube as far away as they can - the Delta Quadrant. This is depicted on one of the cards the de-borged woman was using.

After the panic subsides, they vow to never again research synthetics and become obsessed with destroying all research and records and creating a society that never again researches robots, synths, etc. Only benign computers.

Thousands of years go by and the Zhat Vash are still at it, but little thought is paid to the first cube they sent deep into the Delta Quadrant.

Until Q decides it’s time to set the events in motion as the first Borg Collective is starting to get close to the Alpha and Beta quadrants. He flings the Enterprise D into the lions den, woefully under equipped to handle the situation. Q teaches Picard humility.

The Borg are now aware of the federation and sent scout ships that destroy outermost colonies - including Romulan colonies.

Years later Voyager is pulled deep into the Delta quadrant. Has numerous encounters with Borg. The Borg could have easily overpowered Voyager at any time. Why did she not do so? The queen wanted Janeway to take Seven of Nine and “de-Borg” her. The queen sees not just the present but the past. Borg are known users of time travel.

Why does the queen want Seven to be free? Seven returns to earth after Janeway time travels and they deal a lethal blow to the first collective.

My theory is the Borg really are gone - but a new queen must emerge to rebuild the hive. Commodore Oh being pissed that one of the twins was destroyed wants the other alive, as she is the only twin that can stop the queen from rising.

The “Artifact” came back from the Delta Quadrant bur was badly damaged and was cut off from the newly established Borg in the Delta Quadrant.

I think this entire story revolves around the origins of the Borg and how it relates to Picard.

Important:

The Zaht Vash are deathly afraid that it will come out that in essence ancient Romulans created the Borg. This plays nicely with how seemingly engaged Picard has been with Romulans after the failed rescue attempt. When it comes out that the very people he risked everything for, everything, created the Borg who savagely assimilated him it will be a great moral dilemma. Remember, Commodore Oh said “everything is at risk” if they fail.

Or I could be totally wrong!
 
The only problem with the Zhat Vash creating the Borg is that the Borg originated in the Delta Quadrant. Unless the Zhat Vash were somehow more advanced and technology was lost along the way, which is possible, but...

... I think it's unlikely. I don't think the Romulans created the Borg. But I do think they gained useful information by watching the Federation fight them.
 
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Time_of_Awakening

The Romulans and Vulcans split in the 4th century AD.

Not that it matter's, but by your timeline, the protoVulcan/protoRomulans invented the Borg before the age of Awakening, pre Surak, when they were one species.

This would mean that the zat vash is simultaneously part of the Vulcan and Romulan cultures remote from one another.
This could explain why Commodore Oh sympathizes with them. She doesn’t seem to be a typical Vulcan. Perhaps her family never embraced Surak, but also didn’t go off with the Romulans, and were one of these ancient Borg architects.
 
Don't know about all that, but I am willing to bet that the Borg are in some way involved with the Zhat Vash's fear of synths. It'll probably turn out to be more straightforward - perhaps, the ancestors of the Vulcans and Romulans had an encounter with the Borg many thousands of years ago and it so terrified them that a sect vowed to make sure that nothing like that would ever arise in the Alpha Quadrent.

First we had section 31, now Romulans theories of Borg creation. I hope this one turns out as wrong, really rather not see Borg origins.

Unless it is correct and they recycled it from the scrapped Section 31 origin that DSC season 2 was clearly heading towards. :p
 
We don't really know where the Borg originated. Delta is never stated as the ancestral home.

Oh, the Waadvaur in "Dragon's Teeth" think the Borg were less prominent in their Delta neighborhood 900 years prior, and have now become bigger players. But that's the provincial point of view: the Borg are famed for being difficult to find, and might have been prominent all along without the Foolish realizing this.

What is stated is that the Borg are "thousands of centuries" old - this is something that Guinan and Q agree upon in "Q Who?". So the act of creating them is a bit early for anybody from the Vulcanoid stock, unless we go back to the time of Sargon.

Of course, Guinan never was there when the Borg came, and Q is the God of Lies. But there are no contrary statements from people really in the know, such as Seven or Locutus.

Then again, the thing with Sargon is interesting in this respect: apparently the Vulcans have some trouble with their creation myth, and Spock feels that outsourcing it to the Sargonites would clear up things. A plot twist the writers of PIC could easily have dreamed up after a cursory glance at Memory Alpha...

Timo Saloniemi
 
The Borg should never be "explained" their mystery was one of their best parts. Its what made them ominous. Probably my biggest complaint about Voyager was them going to the well so much with the Borg. Also agree that no explanation will ever be satisfactorily so just leave it alone IMO.
 
A major clue is how the Artifact appears in the opening. Look at the way the Artifact is positioned and at the blue light coming from it.

Let’s not forget that it’s being called “The Artifact.”

Artifacts are ancient!

I appreciate all of the replies !
 
It's been stated the cube only stopped working 14 years prior and that the deborged romulans are the last thing it assimilated.

So no it's not a ancient relic.

In Fact those deborged rommies are likely zhat desh deliberatly infected with a virus like icheb from Voyger and purposely tasked to get assimilated to take out the cube.
 
IMHO there are two big problems with this fan theory.

1. The Borg are not synthetic life - they are augmented biological life.

2. In terms of off-camera stuff, Stewart only agreed to having the Borg being included in this series if the plotline would not involve any "typical Borg" elements, because they've been done to death. I think the resurrection of the Borg as their historic existential threat would thus be a nonstarter for him.
 
The Borg should never be "explained" their mystery was one of their best parts. Its what made them ominous. Probably my biggest complaint about Voyager was them going to the well so much with the Borg. Also agree that no explanation will ever be satisfactorily so just leave it alone IMO.
They kind of had to do something with them, though. You can't fly through the entirety of the DQ without moving into a huge swath of their space.

What I don't get is why there were all these races-of-the-week in VOY, many of them quite advanced, many of them not-so-much, and none of them having been assimilated. I would think that the Borg would be out there, spreading exponentially like a virus. I'm honestly surprised we didn't see more of them, and earlier on.
 
My theory right now is that the Zhat Vash are actually themselves synthetics and they are worried that the likes of Dahj and Soji and any other advanced synthetic life forms might come along and replace them.

Haven't quite figured out how the Borg fit into it all yet, but I think time travel is involved as well as the Borg trying to assimilate Zhat Vash.
 
Two new Star Trek series and TWICE now we get "Hey maybe >Insert Villian Group Here< INVENTED/START THE BORG!!"
(Seems Kurtzman and Co. are already in a rut WRT their story plotting - EVEN WITH Michael Chabon in the mix...:guffaw:;))
 
They kind of had to do something with them, though. You can't fly through the entirety of the DQ without moving into a huge swath of their space.

Sure you can. VOY invented the concept of the Borg being in Delta. Before "Scorpion", we had no reason to think that this would be the case. Quite to the contrary, in "Descent" the renegade Borg fled to Delta, suggesting this would have been a sanctuary far away from the Collective...

What I don't get is why there were all these races-of-the-week in VOY, many of them quite advanced, many of them not-so-much, and none of them having been assimilated. I would think that the Borg would be out there, spreading exponentially like a virus. I'm honestly surprised we didn't see more of them, and earlier on.

But VOY answers that question, once it chooses to establish the Borg presence - not only in Delta, but everywhere in the Milky Way. The Borg simply don't want to spread, because then there would be nobody left to assimilate, and the Borg would die. They seem incapable of inventing and evolving on their own, after all.

Timo Saloniemi
 
It's been stated the cube only stopped working 14 years prior and that the deborged romulans are the last thing it assimilated.

So no it's not a ancient relic.

In Fact those deborged rommies are likely zhat desh deliberatly infected with a virus like icheb from Voyger and purposely tasked to get assimilated to take out the cube.
They call it the artifact. Things don’t become artifacts after only 14 years.
 
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