Significance of the Gorn in the future?

[Arpy]

- - - - - Minor spoiler for PIC Ep2 - - - - -

A certain Romulan intelligence agency was noted as operating in the Gorn Hegemony, as well as the Klingon Empire and even the Federation itself... The Gorn?? Little to nothing has been mentioned about them in the canon in the TNG era.

How significant are they now?
Where were they during the Dominion War (canon, not comics)?
Were they conquered by the Klingons?
By the Romulans?
By an steroid 65 Million Years in the making?

 

[Longinus]

It was just a namedrop, I doubt we hear anything more about them.

 

[SoM]

Yeah. Let's remember how much DS9 loved to name-drop the Tholians, who never showed up once.

 

[Noname Given]

Yeah. Let's remember how much DS9 loved to name-drop the Tholians, who never showed up once.

TNG name dropped the Tholians a number of times during it's second season as well. Supposedly there was a Tholian/Federation war that William Riker's father helped negotiate a cease fire for.

 

[The Wormhole]

The Gorn were mentioned on DS9 a few times. Apparently they were at peace with the Federation and even handed Cestus III over to the Federation, pretty considerate of them given it was their world originally. IIRC, the Gorn were mentioned to have signed a non-aggression pact with the Dominion, which I'm guessing the Dominion honoured.

 

[Arpy]

^ “The Dominion has not been idle on the diplomatic front, either. They have already neutralized many potential enemies through the signing of non-aggression pacts with the Romulans, the Miradorn, and the Tholians.”


I wonder if the Gorn’s mention in PIC signifies they’re bigger players in the future.

 

[The Wormhole]

Ah, yeah, I just consulted the transcript. It was the Miradorn, which I confused with Gorn.

 

[Crewman6]

The Gorn (like the Tholians) got the occasional name drop. It's just meant to imply that "hey, this is just an easter egg for fans and meant to show that we haven't forgotten about what is supposed to be a major power out there, but don't get your hopes up of ever seeing them."

 

[Arpy]

The Gorn (like the Tholians) got the occasional name drop. It's just meant to imply that "hey, this is just an easter egg for fans and meant to show that we haven't forgotten about what is supposed to be a major power out there, but don't get your hopes up of ever seeing them."

Maybe. But line’s there so I’m speculating as to the political scene at the time. The Cardassians are still recovering or more peaceful. Who else is still around and problematic for the Tal Shiar?

 

[Christopher]

In fact, the Gorn were referenced exactly once in all of TNG, DS9, and VGR combined, and that was when Sisko said he wished he'd asked Kirk about fighting the Gorn in the 23rd century. There were references to Cestus III as a Federation colony, and DS9: "Business as Usual" made a throwaway mention of the Metron Consortium, but nothing about the Gorn themselves. So in fact, until now we knew absolutely nothing about the Gorn's status in the 24th century, except by omission (in that they no longer claimed Cestus III).

Maybe. But line’s there so I’m speculating as to the political scene at the time. The Cardassians are still recovering or more peaceful. Who else is still around and problematic for the Tal Shiar?

Nations don't just spy on their active enemies. Sometimes they even spy on their allies. Heck, the Romulans would spy on everyone as a matter of reflex.

 

[Makarov]

Picard is going to 1v1 a Gorn and he is going to win with a single punch and then drop a line of Shakespeare on it

 

[Arpy]

Picard is going to 1v1 a Gorn and he is going to win with a single punch and then drop a line of Shakespeare on it

To be or not to be...[lights a cigar]...not to be...[vaporizes bested Gorn].

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

Picard is going to 1v1 a Gorn and he is going to win with a single punch and then drop a line of Shakespeare on it

First he will say, "Shakath, when the walls falleth."

 

[XCV330]

Orions had contact with Gorns in the 22nd century "The less said about them the better"

And of course, Lorca got his Gorn skeleton from somewhere.

 

[seigezunt]

Picard is going to 1v1 a Gorn and he is going to win with a single punch and then drop a line of Shakespeare on it

and the Gorn will drop an F-bomb.

 

[The Wormhole]

Orions had contact with Gorns in the 22nd century "The less said about them the better"

And of course, Lorca got his Gorn skeleton from somewhere.

In Disco's second season, Leland is presumably referring to Gorn when he talks about alligators on Cestus III.

 

[Timo]

Or then not, as "Arena" tries to suggest that both the connection between the place and the Gorn, and the species itself, are news to Kirk's folks, ten years later still. Was Section 31 covering up all that or what?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Noname Given]

Or then not, as "Arena" tries to suggest that both the connection between the place and the Gorn, and the species itself, are news to Kirk's folks, ten years later still. Was Section 31 covering up all that or what?

Timo Saloniemi

Well, remember: In "Arena" the Gorn were able to put a call direct to the 1701; and 100% mimic a known Star Fleet Commodore's voice - all in an attempt to test the Federation's military capability. Plus when they attacked - the Gorn used a known approach route and came in at 'space normal' speed.

My point: The Gorn had A LOT of information on the Federation BEFORE the attack; AND the set up a very specific ambush. If they had all this info on the Federation beforehand; how did they get it - and why (again if they had all the info they did) would they assume the Federation were invading their territory for nefarious purposes?

 

[Christopher]

My point: The Gorn had A LOT of information on the Federation BEFORE the attack; AND the set up a very specific ambush. If they had all this info on the Federation beforehand; how did they get it - and why (again if they had all the info they did) would they assume the Federation were invading their territory for nefarious purposes?

Before the attack, yes, but not before the Cestus III outpost was established. It's not like those happened back-to-back. The Federation had time to build that whole Bengal Lancers fortress replica there, after all. I'd assume that what happened was that the Gorn discovered some alien force had established a foothold in their space, then they took the time to observe the intruders, intercept their signals, gather intel, and develop a plan for dealing with them, and only then launched the attack.

And to such a highly territorial species, the purpose behind the incursion didn't matter; just being there without permission was enough of a transgression to warrant a violent response. The "Trespassers Will Be Shot" mentality.

 

[The Wormhole]

Was Section 31 covering up all that or what?

Obviously