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And such attitude lacks the optimism. I do not subscribe to such analysis of the human nature. In my view it is the human nature to want to feel accomplished, useful and to help others.

Thats cute. Got any other fairytales to recommend?
 
It's pretty much a question of the appropriate dependency ratio. For all we know, the 24th century has a dire surplus of workers and could do with a few more freeloaders, considering the extreme productivity of the few who work.

And the menial jobs are the easiest: you only need to hire somebody for half a day, there being a trillion others within easy reach to continue from where he or she left off. If it instead takes training, then obviously there's some sort of enthusiasm included, and so there you have it. :devil:

Timo Saloniemi
 
Agreed. But credits are suspiciously close to money. If I can break into your computer credits theoretically and steal them and buy Picards wine and if that's a crime then thats MONEY.
If all food is replicated why is Kirk delivering grain? Why agricultural planets? The term 'moneyless ' is facetious.

I was going to say it’s not transferable, but now I wonder if credits are replicated to real metal as a way to pay Cyrano Jones and the bartender in Iowa.
 
"We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity"

By being a waiter aboard the Enterprise-D's bar.

I mean..I get it. Gene once told Jon Frakes that "In the 24th century there will be no hunger and be no greed"

But greed is a fundamental aspect of humanity, as is the desire to acquire..things.

If one wants to explore the human condition you can't automatically eliminate two fundamental aspects
 
"We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity"

By being a waiter aboard the Enterprise-D's bar.

I mean..I get it. Gene once told Jon Frakes that "In the 24th century there will be no hunger and be no greed"

But greed is a fundamental aspect of humanity, as is the desire to acquire..things.

If one wants to explore the human condition you can't automatically eliminate two fundamental aspects
If you don't believe that negative aspects of the human nature can be overcome then you ultimately do not believe in the premise of Star Trek.
 
"We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity"

By being a waiter aboard the Enterprise-D's bar.

I mean..I get it. Gene once told Jon Frakes that "In the 24th century there will be no hunger and be no greed"

But greed is a fundamental aspect of humanity, as is the desire to acquire..things.

If one wants to explore the human condition you can't automatically eliminate two fundamental aspects
Gene also said people don't mourn death either.
 
"We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity"

By being a waiter aboard the Enterprise-D's bar.

I mean..I get it. Gene once told Jon Frakes that "In the 24th century there will be no hunger and be no greed"

But greed is a fundamental aspect of humanity, as is the desire to acquire..things.

If one wants to explore the human condition you can't automatically eliminate two fundamental aspects
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Gene was well-meaning but naive. Nobody with their head screwed on straight would believe Gene's vision of utopia is possible, certainly not within the next 400 years.
Gene wasn't naive and I doubt even he believed it. But it was good hustle that appealed to the rubes.
 
If you don't believe that negative aspects of the human nature can be overcome then you ultimately do not believe in the premise of Star Trek.

So if you have fundamentally perfect humans..does that leave nothing but the well meaning but noble savage aliens that humans need to show the light of progress to?
 
Star Trek fandom does have a lot of well-meaning rubes. Face facts, we're not as sophisticated a fandom as we like to think.
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I beg to differ, old chap.
 
"People are no longer obsessed with the accumulation of things."
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