Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

[Datasbeard]

Where were we previous shown what Section 31 is in the 23rd century?

We saw what it was in the 22nd century. It’s a little incredible that an organization would go from no one knowing about it ... to everyone knowing about it hey no big deal cool black badge how’s the paternity leave at S31 these days ... to no one knowing about it again.

 

[thribs]

Because whoever cleansed up that mess, absolutely did not want anybody to know what happened.
Massive cover-up.

Now that would be interesting. If some Romulans came in a cleaned the crime scene. Wiping all trace and taking Picard back to his house.

 

[BillJ]

I can appreciate that, and even agree to an extent. I’m not a huge TOS fan, and I think that may partly be why I’m less invested in these characters’ stories.

I'm a huge TOS fan, and I just couldn't get invested in the Discovery versions of Pike, Spock and Number One. Good actors, but so much of the material was bland and could've been given to anyone.

 

[fireproof78]

We saw what it was in the 22nd century. It’s a little incredible that an organization would go from no one knowing about it ... to everyone knowing about it hey no big deal cool black badge how’s the paternity leave at S31 these days ... to no one knowing about it again.

DS9 neither confirms nor denies their existence.

 

[DaveyNY]

Now that would be interesting. If some Romulans came in a cleaned the crime scene. Wiping all trace and taking Picard back to his house.

That's essentially what happened, Laris tells Jean-Luc that there's nothing there to indicate what he saw, happened.
He was picked up by 'somebody', medically treated with 24th Century tech while being returned to the chateau.
(and probably sedated)

Then "They" also quietly and completely eliminated all traces of the explosion on the roof.

Which leads me to believe that there is also a Star Fleet and/or Federation faction also involved.

 

[BillJ]

DS9 neither confirms nor denies their existence.

There's a line from one of the episodes, which escapes me now, from Bashir about them hiding in the shadows for three hundred years. Honestly, Discovery's version doesn't make much sense in context with the 22nd and 24th century versions of the organization.

 

[BillJ]

That's essentially what happened, Laris tells Jean-Luc that there's nothing there to indicate what he saw, happened.
He was picked up by 'somebody', medically treated with 24th Century tech while being returned to the chateau.
And "They" also quietly and completely eliminated all traces of the explosion on the roof.

Which leads me to believe that there is also a Star Fleet and/or Federation faction also involved.

I wonder if it was Laris and her husband, whose name escapes me right now?

 

[Alan Roi]

We saw what it was in the 22nd century. It’s a little incredible that an organization would go from no one knowing about it ... to everyone knowing about it hey no big deal cool black badge how’s the paternity leave at S31 these days ... to no one knowing about it again.

You do realize that this is over the span of hundreds of years, right?

 

[thribs]

That's essentially what happened, Laris tells Jean-Luc that there's nothing there to indicate what he saw, happened.
He was picked up by 'somebody', medically treated with 24th Century tech while being returned to the chateau.
And "They" also quietly and completely eliminated all traces of the explosion on the roof.

Which leads me to believe that there is also a Star Fleet and/or Federation faction also involved.

The only issue there is that they would have had to do it very quickly as I can’t imagine that fight didn’t go unnoticed. Hell, we see multiple Discovery shuttles flying over them. Someone must have noticed.

 

[fireproof78]

There's a line from one of the episodes, which escapes me now, from Bashir about them hiding in the shadows for three hundred years. Honestly, Discovery's version doesn't make much sense in context with the 22nd and 24th century versions of the organization.

I go back and forth. Pike regards them as part of "Starfleet Intelligence" so their full knowledge might be available to all parties. On the other hand, you make a good point that it isn't completely simpatico. However, given that Section 31 is run by one of the Starfleet Chief of Operations it might be more easy to reclasify things under Starfleet Intelligence without to many being in the know.

All that to say that I don't know...

 

[Alan Roi]

There's a line from one of the episodes, which escapes me now, from Bashir about them hiding in the shadows for three hundred years. Honestly, Discovery's version doesn't make much sense in context with the 22nd and 24th century versions of the organization.

Well, a lot of things in the 19th century don't make much sense in context with the 18th century and 20th century.

 

[DaveyNY]

I wonder if it was Laris and her husband, whose name escapes me right now?

Zhaban

The only issue there is that they would have had to do it very quickly as I can’t imagine that fight didn’t go unnoticed. Hell, we see multiple Discovery shuttles flying over them. Someone must have noticed.

YES, and that's is why there had to be someone involved from Star Fleet/ the Federation.

 

[BillJ]

Well, a lot of things in the 19th century don't make much sense in context with the 18th century and 21st century.

A singular organization that has the same basic mission statement for three centuries?

 

[thribs]

The Discovery writers just didn’t do their research and confused S31 with Starfleet Intelligence. That’s what I think happened.

 

[BillJ]

Zhaban

Thanks. I had it on my fingertips, just couldn't quite get it to the keyboard!

 

[thribs]

Zhaban

YES, and that's is why there had to be someone involved from Star Fleet/ the Federation.

Well we know Starfleet isn’t Starfleet anymore. The parasites have taken them over again.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, a lot of things in the 19th century don't make much sense in context with the 18th century and 20th century.

True. The passage of a hundred years is actually pretty significant.

Now, where is my Model T...

Well we know Starfleet isn’t Starfleet anymore. The parasites have taken them over again.

Stupid Goa'uld.

 

[DaveyNY]

Well we know Starfleet isn’t Starfleet anymore. The parasites have taken them over again.

My guess is another rouge rogue Admiral.

 

[Longinus]

You do realize that this is over the span of hundreds of years, right?

Discovery version of S31 makes zero sense in the context of what we know of them from DS9. People even didn't know what they were, yet just a century ago they were openly operating branch of Starfleet. The writers literally din't understand the source material. This is the sort of replacing I meant, the writers decided to ignore what was established and did their own thing. Same with Klingon cloaks. Same with supertech that shouldn't have existed then. And of course all the visuals.

If you want to do a TOS era show, then do that, and build on what was established. And if you don't want to do that, then don't, and make a completely new show instead.

 

[thribs]

My guess is another rouge Admiral.

Rouge? A red admiral?