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Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

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DaveyNY said:
He doesn't treat them like 'servants', they are a part of his extended family now.
They CHOOSE to work for him.
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I don’t think they’re servants, they’re live-in caretakers. They all obviously care for each other like family and Picard is supposed to be 90 something so they just do things that he may need help with like cooking and such. Plus it’s just easier to get hurt really bad, so they probably just make sure he’s okay. It’s like your dad moving in with you if he’s alone and in his 80s.
 
I assume Picard kicked Marie out when he moved back. Without Robert, she’s not real family now. :)
 
Alan Roi said:
Many Star Trek fans prefer their nostalgia to be stroked, not challenged or provided the opportunity to reevaluated.
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I agree with you completely. Retelling the same stories is lazy, and giving into nostalgia for the sake of nostalgia alone is shallow. I don’t see either of those things in Picard so far, though. It seems to have what looks to be its own story, a fresh take, that very much flies in the face of what’s come before. But it does so without ignoring that stuff. In effect, Picard connects with the universe we’ve seen before, and thereby gains agency to challenge that universe. By contrast, Discovery was intentionally designed to look different from TOS and TNG and all the other series, and as a result, no matter how thought-provoking it may ever be, it will never (it can never) challenge anything about TOS or TNG. At least, no more than BSG or The Expanse or any other sci-fi show. They’re different universes, and when I watch them, I’m only vaguely aware that Discovery is trying to say something about the shows I watched before, that I could (and probably should) be potentially be re-evaluating through a modern lens. So yes, I agree about the virtue of being challenged by the story and its evolution. But to my mind, the only thing Discovery can challenge is itself.
 
“Cause the story demanded it” is not a defense of plot inconsistencies. It’s a sarcastic indictment of writers taking shortcuts.

But stuff like that isn’t a huge deal when it’s minor details like where Picard wakes up.
 
picardjean-luc said:
My thoughts exactly. S31 is prominently shown as the main baddie in every post 2000 Trek movies/series, and there is a Georgiou-focused S31 series in development now.

And they built the first 'evil AI' storyplot in the Trek universe with Control, so I won't be surprised if S31 is behind the development of the synths, the Mars attack, and
whichever sick experiment the Romulan scientists are doing, which presumably includes (based on the trailers) the extraction of Borg technology and nanoprobles from liberated Borgs for possible use as new super weapons
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the Romulans we see trying to capture Dahj could be agents of section 31 who were recruited from former members of the Tal shiar
 
Nerys Myk said:
But not very good ones. Come on. "Explosion knocks down hero and doesn't go to the hospital" isn't exactly a brilliant observation or much of a point.
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I just mean with the way we saw that explosion take Picard out. It just feels weird that the next scene is him a sleep on the couch.
 
BillJ said:
Because he's the star, and the story wasn't going to the hospital next. :p
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It's still stupidly handled that there was a massive explosion and the next thing we see is Picard waking up on his own couch. Not being tended to by doctors or questioned by the police.
 
Datasbeard said:
I agree with you completely. Retelling the same stories is lazy, and giving into nostalgia for the sake of nostalgia alone is shallow. I don’t see either of those things in Picard so far, though. It seems to have what looks to be its own story, a fresh take, that very much flies in the face what’s come before. But it does so largely without ignoring what’s come before. In effect, Picard connects with the universe we’ve seen before, and thereby gains agency to challenge that universe. By contrast, Discovery was intentionally designed to look different from TOS and TNG and all the other series, and as a result, no matter how thought-provoking it may ever be, it will never (it can never) challenge anything about TOS or TNG. At least, no more than BSG or The Expanse or any other sci-fi show. They’re different universes, and when I watch them, I’m only vaguely aware that Discovery is trying to say something about the shows I watched before, that I could (and probably should) be potentially be re-evaluating through a modern lens. So yes, I agree about the virtue of being challenged by the story and it’s evolution. But to my mind, the only thing Discovery can challenge is itself.
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I get it. You personally reject the opportunity to accept what Discovery adds to Star Trek. And you don't agree that Picard wallows perhaps a little too much in TNGs past, most notably the loving moments it spends in the Picard archive. Many, myself included are more accepting of new ways of looking at the Franchise. We like it when new light is shed on something from the past, not merely put in amber and venerated. For instance, painters don't show their respect for past masters by duplicating their style, sensibility, feel. They do so by some incorporation of the old into the new, offering a different persepective on the past, not bending to it.
 
Crewman6 said:
It's still stupidly handled that there was a massive explosion and the next thing we see is Picard waking up on his own couch. Not being tended to by doctors or questioned by the police.
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I do hope at some point in a future episode the way this was handwaved is dealt with.
 
picardjean-luc said:
My thoughts exactly. S31 is prominently shown as the main baddie in every post 2000 Trek movies/series, and there is a Georgiou-focused S31 series in development now.

And they built the first 'evil AI' storyplot in the Trek universe with Control, so I won't be surprised if S31 is behind the development of the synths, the Mars attack, and
whichever sick experiment the Romulan scientists are doing, which presumably includes (based on the trailers) the extraction of Borg technology and nanoprobles from liberated Borgs for possible use as new super weapons
.
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I love Section 31, but I hope they're not the villains in Picard. First because they were just used in Discovery last year, and because they'll have their own series. But most importantly, using S31 here feels like going to them as the go-to scapegoat.

The Romulans haven't been used as much in the last 20 years, due to most of Star Trek have been Pre-TOS until now. It would be nice to have them responsible for the synth attack. They'd have the motive. If it weakened the Federation, if it made the Federation more timid, it would reduce them as a threat and it would reduce them as an influence.

Also, I would put it rogue elements of Starfleet -- not Section 31 -- becoming so corrupt that they'll do anything to stop aid to the Romulans, an enemy, and would love to muscle Picard out because he represents everything they disagree Starfleet should be.

Plus while Section 31 would have no problem weakening the Romulans, they wouldn't do anything to weaken their hand or the Federation's or have Mars devastated. It's not their MO. They want to weaken others, not themselves.
 
thribs said:
He said at DST Birmingham last year that he only just found out that Picard was 12 years older than himself. I didn’t know as well but it makes sense considering the history of all he did before TNG.
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It wouldn't surprise me if they made Picard older than Patrick Stewart in TNG, because when Stewart was 47 years old he was bald already and the few hairs he had left were white. He was a relative old looking man during his 40s.
 
Discovery adds to the lore the way you try to add luggage to a full suitcase. You just hit it repeatedly until it fits, when the suitcase doesn’t want to. :)
 
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