... and Spock was always thinking well beyond the moment.
Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"
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But it wouldn't happen in a blink with no warning.
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The Federation and Romulans knew well in advance as Stars go through various stages before exploding into a Supernova or collapsing into a Black Hole, hence why Spock and Picard were able to come up with their own plans to either stop it from happening or relocate the population.
They may have had a decade or more depending on what the actual cause was, the 2009 film indicated the destabilisation timeline was accelerated, it was not a natural Star death and should not have happened when it did, whether they will run with that thinking or not remains to be seen.
Even though both plans failed many Romulans would have made it off the planet by their own means, compare that to Vulcan when Neros actions turned the Vulcans into an endangered species in an instant with no warning whatsoever.
They may have had a decade or more depending on what the actual cause was, the 2009 film indicated the destabilisation timeline was accelerated, it was not a natural Star death and should not have happened when it did, whether they will run with that thinking or not remains to be seen.
Even though both plans failed many Romulans would have made it off the planet by their own means, compare that to Vulcan when Neros actions turned the Vulcans into an endangered species in an instant with no warning whatsoever.
What's fun is that we still have no fucking idea what Spock's plan was...
He had red matter which turns stuff into black holes. What good would it do to turn the supernova into a black hole? This part doesn't work well if the upcoming supernova is also the all-important Romulan sun.
He thought he had "little time" even after Romulus blew. This works in the context where he is working right next to the supernova when being right next to the now-lost Romulus: he has "little time" to stop the expanding wave of death before it expands too much to be stopped by red matter.
OTOH, red matter also creates time tunnels. Did Spock wish to rewrite the past with his red matter?
Why did Spock only act at the last minute (or two minutes after that) if he had years of advance warning and the fastest ship in the town?
PIC need not answer any of these questions, and hopefully doesn't. But it has already given us plenty of cues.
Timo Saloniemi
He had red matter which turns stuff into black holes. What good would it do to turn the supernova into a black hole? This part doesn't work well if the upcoming supernova is also the all-important Romulan sun.
He thought he had "little time" even after Romulus blew. This works in the context where he is working right next to the supernova when being right next to the now-lost Romulus: he has "little time" to stop the expanding wave of death before it expands too much to be stopped by red matter.
OTOH, red matter also creates time tunnels. Did Spock wish to rewrite the past with his red matter?
Why did Spock only act at the last minute (or two minutes after that) if he had years of advance warning and the fastest ship in the town?
PIC need not answer any of these questions, and hopefully doesn't. But it has already given us plenty of cues.
Timo Saloniemi
Yep. Stick it to Nero. It would make him more tragic a villain but also rob him of his ultimate victory since he committed mass murder over a mistaken impression. He sacrificed his remaining decency and nobility over a delusion.
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They could have outright ignored the events in the films if they had really wanted to.
Which does indicate we will find out exactly why the Star exploded at some point, either that or they needed that event to use as a catalyst for other events yet to be shown in the show, perhaps both.
Then again, Nero said rather emphatically that he "prevented genocide". Perhaps his actions also saved his wife in some timey-wimey fashion?
I don't see a great need to delve more into the supernova. Although there are dozens of ways it could be milked for drama: perhaps there was a conspiracy to blow it up, or there's a conspiracy to claim that there was a conspiracy, or there was a conspiracy but it failed and still the star blew up, or it's all a big conspiracy? But that's material for a different spinoff.
Timo Saloniemi
I don't see a great need to delve more into the supernova. Although there are dozens of ways it could be milked for drama: perhaps there was a conspiracy to blow it up, or there's a conspiracy to claim that there was a conspiracy, or there was a conspiracy but it failed and still the star blew up, or it's all a big conspiracy? But that's material for a different spinoff.
Timo Saloniemi
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Gonzo
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If I remember correctly Spock said he had enough time to get there then the Star went Supernova even earlier than expected, implying that someone or something made absolutely sure that Spock would not be able to stop it.
They may not bother with that for the show though, especially if they just want the fallout from the Supernova to be a backdrop for other events rather than the main focus of the show.
It does look like they may have changed the Star that exploded from a nearby Star to Romulus/Remus own Star, I have yet to see the first episode yet though.
Doesnt bother me though.
Spot on, none of that shit makes a damn bit of sense. Nothing about space or science makes sense in any Abrams film. Ever.
All we need to know is a supernova blew up Romulus. That's it. Nothing else matters, nothing else will be discussed.
I'm thinking that the Really Tiny Drop of Red Matter, that Spock used was originally meant to stabilize the sun in some manner.
But he got there too late and decided at the last moment to release it anyway in order to dissipate the expanding wave while hoping they would cancel each other out.
Another one of those "Hail Mary's" that he and Captain Kirk were so good at employing.
(but without Jim..., it failed miserably)
I am sitting in my office in Germany reading all of your comments on the first episode. It makes me so happy to see you being happy about how it turned out. As happy as I was when I saw it in Berlin last weekend. To be honest it wasn't quite easy for me to keep Maddox and other facts you didn't know about to myself. Also I agree, remembering the opening credits to be kind of the only disappointing aspect.
The Vulcan Science Academy probably had some left over after Spock and the Jellyfish disappeared into the past. They may have classified or even destroyed it since it was such a dangerous substance and had not worked as planned.
I got the distinct impression that every bit of it was in the Jellyfish and when Spock bounced across universes that was the end of it.
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As long as they dont go the same route as Enterprise opening credits song I will be fine with it.
Yeah I havent seen it yet but the forum seems a lot less polarised compared to Disco.
The thing is, only Spock's plan is a mystery to us now. Everything else pans out just fine, and meshes with the movie. Supernovae do happen, and they'd do to Romulus what we saw happen, and they'd probably be predictable to a degree even if an Evil Agent triggered them, and there'd be evacuation plans, and there'd still be victims, etc.
We don't have to worry about Spock. But we don't have to worry about much else, either. The writers now have it easy coming up with matching details, whereas after 2009 they had their work cut out for them.
Timo Saloniemi
We don't have to worry about Spock. But we don't have to worry about much else, either. The writers now have it easy coming up with matching details, whereas after 2009 they had their work cut out for them.
Timo Saloniemi
I doubt they destroyed it. That stuff would be too valuable.
In my personal head canon, this show is one of many possible realities created by all of the tampering with time done over the years by various Star Trek groups. But I can enjoy it — and I did, very much — regardless of what reality it is in.