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Spoilers Crisis on Infinite Earths Discussion (CW Event Spoiler Thread)

Thestral said:
I was really disappointed personally because it's Kevin Conroy - the Batman to a certain generation - finally appearing. Having him pass the torch and then die when his Earth was annihilated would've been much more appreciated and would've been nice if our Kate never meets her Bruce for some reason.
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I wasn't disappointed, because most actors love the chance to play villains, and this was a great chance for Conroy -- who's played more different iterations of Batman than anyone ever -- to get to do something new with the role. And look at it from the other side -- if the story demanded an evil Batman, who else could've been better in the role?


I'm not really sure why everybody's so gaga over Cryor's Lex either, do I need to have seen Supergirl to really get the appeal? He seems... rather like a thug trying to make himself something more (and not succeeding like the Kingpin)?
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That's a fair question. Lex hasn't really had room here to show much of his personality. It's been more about his actions than his motivations. He did have meatier material on Supergirl.


Oliver as the Spectre is excellent though, I've been speculating that might be his fate. It's possible that depending on how much he appears, Oliver might do the Hal Jordan take of turning the Spectre from the Spirit of Vengeance into the Spirit of Redemption.
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Ooh, I like that. It would be fitting for Green Arrow to take Green Lantern's place in that story arc. And "Spirit of Redemption" sounds perfect for Oliver, whose whole series has been about redemption.
 
Christopher said:
By the way, it occurs to me that since they've now expanded the DC crossovers to include a Vertigo title (Lucifer), that opens the door to an iZombie cameo.
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iZombie was a creator-owned comic, so the rights presumably belong to its creators and not DC.
 
Thestral said:
I'm not really sure why everybody's so gaga over Cryor's Lex either, do I need to have seen Supergirl to really get the appeal? He seems... rather like a thug trying to make himself something more (and not succeeding like the Kingpin)?
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With last night's cliffhanger, I began to wonder if Supergirl's Lex might take a post-Crisis turn like Lex did in the comics after Forever Evil -- he became, essentially, Iron Man, building himself a suit of power armor, wearing Superman's crest, and becoming Metropolis' hero and joining the Justice League. It was one of the best developments of Rebirth, imho, and it got flushed away when Bendis came over to DC.
 
Allyn Gibson said:
With last night's cliffhanger, I began to wonder if Supergirl's Lex might take a post-Crisis turn like Lex did in the comics after Forever Evil -- he became, essentially, Iron Man, building himself a suit of power armor, wearing Superman's crest, and becoming Metropolis' hero and joining the Justice League. It was one of the best developments of Rebirth, imho, and it got flushed away when Bendis came over to DC.
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I think you meant "post-Flashpoint", not "post-Crisis".
 
Enjoyed the Lucifer bit, I didn't hear anything about that spoiler and it was a surprise.

Pacing on Part 3 was much better, enjoyed that it finally got moving and felt like a crisis rather than a get together/funeral combo.

That said, pretty annoyed by the ending. Destroying the last Earth forces/guarantees that there will be some level of reset button to press. Not that it wasn't happening anyway, but now with zero Earths, can't have any option of just making do with what they had.

Also REALLY makes Green Arrow's death pointless. Died a hero, saving over a Billion people. Who died 45 minutes later when the Earth they moved to also was destroyed. If the Earths are restored, or even some of them, they could have all just stayed on Earth 38, no harm no foul. Nothing special about that Earth blowing up in Antimater wave vice Earth 1 later, they're all gone, so equally likely that all come back, at least in some capacity. What was his big sacrifice all about? IMO it would have been better if he was saving the other heroes, giving them time to get to the portal to fight another day, etc. Instead, he bought time for ships that would be destroyed in a minute anyway. Still heroic on HIS part, but ultimately pointless for the viewer.

Also, is it an issue that he's decided not to have his soul come back, but his body is still alive/revived and hanging out on the waverider? Seems not great. Thought he'd have come back with them, but in the "i can't stay" capacity, much like that Jesus guy and his resurrection. And then again, since the waverider was ALSO destroyed 2 minutes later aside from the Paragons, none of that mattered either...

Much better to watch, but still ultimately frustrating. Have only seen 3/5th of the story, but seems pretty sloppy so far.
 
YLu said:
iZombie was a creator-owned comic, so the rights presumably belong to its creators and not DC.
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All these non-CW crossovers involve some negotiations for rights/permissions with other parties anyway, so that doesn't rule it out. I'm just saying it shows that the makers aren't limiting themselves to titles under the DC label.


Allyn Gibson said:
With last night's cliffhanger, I began to wonder if Supergirl's Lex might take a post-Crisis turn like Lex did in the comics after Forever Evil -- he became, essentially, Iron Man, building himself a suit of power armor, wearing Superman's crest, and becoming Metropolis' hero and joining the Justice League. It was one of the best developments of Rebirth, imho, and it got flushed away when Bendis came over to DC.
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Interesting thought, but it would take quite a life-changing event for the Lex Luthor who was just going around the multiverse murdering Supermen to turn into a superhero himself. For all that this Lex believes (as he said to the Monitor in last week's Supergirl) "I've always been the hero," so far he hasn't really shown any redemptive qualities aside from some genuine respect for Lena.


Scout101 said:
That said, pretty annoyed by the ending. Destroying the last Earth forces/guarantees that there will be some level of reset button to press. Not that it wasn't happening anyway, but now with zero Earths, can't have any option of just making do with what they had.
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That was never an option anyway. Like I said, there's no way they'd throw out all those expensive Supergirl sets, or ditch the story arcs they left unresolved on Earth-38. And no way would they permanently destroy the world of the ongoing Titans or a popular franchise like Burton Batman or Smallville.


Also REALLY makes Green Arrow's death pointless. Died a hero, saving over a Billion people. Who died 45 minutes later when the Earth they moved to also was destroyed. If the Earths are restored, or even some of them, they could have all just stayed on Earth 38, no harm no foul. Nothing special about that Earth blowing up in Antimater wave vice Earth 1 later, they're all gone, so equally likely that all come back, at least in some capacity. What was his big sacrifice all about? IMO it would have been better if he was saving the other heroes, giving them time to get to the portal to fight another day, etc. Instead, he bought time for ships that would be destroyed in a minute anyway. Still heroic on HIS part, but ultimately pointless for the viewer.
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It wasn't the death he was "supposed" to have in the Monitor's plan anyway. But it did apparently lead to him being recruited as the Spectre, which will probably be pivotal in the outcome. So it will have a point, just not one that's currently evident.


Have only seen 3/5th of the story, but seems pretty sloppy so far.
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It's less sloppy than the original, at least.
 
thribs said:
The reveal of the paragons was very underwhelming. They make it sound mysterious and then they just reveal them all in one go. And they’re all Earth-1 characters except for Superman and Supergirl.
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This is a fair point as well. Seems very Earth 1 centric. All the universes and 5 paragons were from Earth 1? Thinking about it, it might have been an interesting idea to have the search for paragons be a part of the pre-Crisis shows on the respective seasons. It would be different than the normal seasons. Or have maybe one or two characters off on that mission while we see a separate plot on the various shows. Except Batwoman of course since it's her season 1 and she needs to establish her framework. In the case of Batwoman, she could be revealed to be a paragon (and I still say humanity) toward the actual crossover. That way, it wouldn't be so rushed.

We could have say, a full episode of Supergirl where we meet the Routh Superman and they have an adventure together before he agrees to help.

Some of these cameos should have been larger and more meaningful, and doing a story before the main event would accomplish that.

Also, regarding Flash, I think there should have been an episode of Flash where he had a full crossover with Flash90.

Let us care about him more so his sacrifice means more as well.

Speaking of Flash, what about the headline in the newspaper? If it was Flash90 all along, why did it exist? How did Monitor not know that? And speaking of Monitor, last year, he snapped his fingers and Flash90 disappeared, only to end up powering the treadmill. Kind of careless on the part of the Monitor.

Allyn Gibson said:
Choi makes sense in a meta way. Choi is the Atom in the comics, and since Routh's Atom is leaving Legends, introduing Choi and doing the passing of the baton in Crisis is ideal, as it's exactly the kind of thing the comics would do -- "A hero falls! I must be the Atom now!" That's more Stan Lee than Marv Wolfman, but you take my point. Big crossover events like Crisis are where mantle-passings take place
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I always say you can pass the torch without killing the torchbearer. Ray can just retire or go off on another mission. He could meet his wife and be with her on Earth 1. No matter how Ray leaves, Choi could be the Atom, and Choi could have been introduced in another event--on any episode of Legends.

Thestral said:
I'm not really sure why everybody's so gaga over Cryor's Lex either, do I need to have seen Supergirl to really get the appeal? He seems... rather like a thug trying to make himself something more (and not succeeding like the Kingpin)?
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I think Cryer's Luthor is very well written, very well acted, and very true to form. Other interpretations, at least live ones, didn't quite capture him. Lex one of the smartest people in any universe, and his cleverness is also a part of Cryer's portrayal in ways we haven't seen in live action. He was the best thing about Supergirl last year.
 
DigificWriter said:
I think you meant "post-Flashpoint", not "post-Crisis".
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I absolutely meant "post-Crisis," ie., the event current airing on the CW. I was just thinking that, like in Forever Evil[/i[] in the comics, we could see Lex decide that saving the world is better that destroying it.
 
Allyn Gibson said:
I absolutely meant "post-Crisis," ie., the event current airing on the CW. I was just thinking that, like in Forever Evil[/i[] in the comics, we could see Lex decide that saving the world is better that destroying it.
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Ok.

Your wording made it sound like you were describing the heroic version of Lex as Superman being part of the post-Crisis comics continuity when it happened post-Flashpoint.

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Since it seems to be a lock that all the earths are coming back what are some of the changes do you think they will make so it isn't a full reset? I think Diggle might become Green Lantern,Cisco might die and Killer Frost might get her own body or Catlin part dies. I think Earth 38 might loose their Superman only for him and Lois to be part of earth 1. Jason
 
The point of this crossover was never to combine Earths or make drastic changes to the status quo of the Arrowverse's currently-airing "core" series or the specific Earths on which they are set.

There will be some fallout from the crossover that will impact the "core" series going forward (Legends' fifth season is built on said fallout), but it is almost a given that for the most part the shows that are continuing on post-CoIE will have most of their established mythos restored to more or less what they were pre-CoIE.
 
Monkey Klaus said:
Since it seems to be a lock that all the earths are coming back what are some of the changes do you think they will make so it isn't a full reset? I think Diggle might become Green Lantern,Cisco might die and Killer Frost might get her own body or Catlin part dies. I think Earth 38 might loose their Superman only for him and Lois to be part of earth 1.
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How about... When Earth-2 is restored, Harry gets his genius back. None of the other Wellseseseses have worked as well(s) as Harry, so it'd be good to have him return to the fold.

Or how about, on Earth-38, the Leviathan nonsense just goes away and we get a better plotline? Doesn't seem likely, though.
 
DigificWriter said:
The point of this crossover was never to combine Earths or make drastic changes to the status quo of the Arrowverse's currently-airing "core" series or the specific Earths on which they are set.

There will be some fallout from the crossover that will impact the "core" series going forward (Legends' fifth season is built on said fallout), but it is almost a given that for the most part the shows that are continuing on post-CoIE will have most of their established mythos restored to more or less what they were pre-CoIE.
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They have said there will be some changes made, so I have a feeling it will be more than you are talking about, but not as much as a lot people seem to be expecting.
I'm a hug fan of Lucifer, so I loved his inclusion here. I hadn't expected anything from Lucifer, so I was shocked when not only was Luci himself in it, but he actually played an active role in the story. Now I'm hoping they can manage to fit a Constantine appearance in Lucifer somewhere.
I had been assuming Flash 90 was going to be the one to die, so that didn't surprise me, but it was a very well done scene.
Oliver becoming The Spectre was a big surprise, I'm curious to see if that is his final fate, or if there's some other twist added to his story after the Anti-Monitor is defeated.
The introduction of Ryan Choi was good, it'll be interesting to see what leads to him taking over for Ray.
The introduction of Black Lightning was pretty good, I liked the scene with him and Barry on the Waverider.
The Anti-Monitor's attack through to the Lex reveal was pretty surprising. I'm not to disappointed they got rid of Routh Superman, Lex is a much more important figure for these shows, so I can see having him there instead.
 
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