Nearly all of this is also true of nearly every lead hero of every story since the beginning of fiction. Some of it's also true of certain figures that the major religions are centred around.
Poll Is Rey a Mary Sue?
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Most everyone of these is also a trait of Luke or Anakin.
maybe you can but they actually showed struggle and development and personality for them too. Also just throwing shade back on the old movies to make excuses for the new ones.. it doesn't;'t work
It isn't shade, it is fact. Or do you dispute that nine-year old Anakin Skywalker built C-3PO, maintained a pod racer, won pod races against professionals and blew up a Trade Federation starship with little to no help? Anakin was the bestest right from the get-go.
Author wish fulfillment: George Lucas... Luke Skywalker...
There are other much smarter people here that can shred you to proverbial bits.
i'm not going to defend TPM. i hate the film.. so whatever you just be you
They showed struggle, development and personality for Luke and Anakin? If by that you mean they showed them whining, then I guess you're right. Not sure I'd call that struggle, development or personality, but YMMV.
Eventually, you'll not be defending the original trilogy either, because your arguments don't make any sense. As all three characters (Anakin, Luke, Rey) are built from a similar mold and serve a similar story purpose.
Also, I see that Rey "being liked by people" is somehow proof that she is a Mary Sue. Goddammit, don't we deserve to have a protagonist that is likable in at least one trilogy? Or do they all have to be whiny asses like Anakin, Luke and Kylo Ren?
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Ok, let me get my academic sources for Star Wars.
Rey is a boring as fuck character who does everything effortlessly with little to no experience or training. She supposedly spent all her life on some desert planet and she flies the Falcon like a fucking pro, better than Han ever showed with no experience at all, that's just one moment on top of two films worth of them. A character not allowed to look weak or have flaws is BORING.
Star Wars Wesley Crusher, a boring as fuck character who works for nothing but 10 times worse.
I only saw the films once, but off the top of my head, they take place over the course of a week and she
- Defeated a trained force user in lightsaber combat
- Uses Jedi mind tricks.
- Sits Luke down
- Defeats a group of expertly-trained Royal Guards.
- Is equally strong enough in the Force with Kylo for the ‘force fight’ over the lightsaber to end in a stalemate.
- Lifts about 50 large boulders without breaking sweat
and I'm 99% she hadn't even heard of the force before doing all this. This is without all her non-force feats.
There is nothing endearing about flawless characters who work for nothing and get given everything. There is nothing that sums the Disney Star Wars movies up better than Leia and Rey being BFFs, after knowing each other for 30 minutes, and bonding over Han dying while ignoring Chewbacca. She is a bad character and if you want to call her a mary sue, she is one. But fundamentally a boring and bad character.
- Defeated a trained force user in lightsaber combat
- Uses Jedi mind tricks.
- Sits Luke down
- Defeats a group of expertly-trained Royal Guards.
- Is equally strong enough in the Force with Kylo for the ‘force fight’ over the lightsaber to end in a stalemate.
- Lifts about 50 large boulders without breaking sweat
and I'm 99% she hadn't even heard of the force before doing all this. This is without all her non-force feats.
There is nothing endearing about flawless characters who work for nothing and get given everything. There is nothing that sums the Disney Star Wars movies up better than Leia and Rey being BFFs, after knowing each other for 30 minutes, and bonding over Han dying while ignoring Chewbacca. She is a bad character and if you want to call her a mary sue, she is one. But fundamentally a boring and bad character.
I'm sorry have you even read my question?
A wounded (both physically and emotionally) not fully trained user. She also showcases combat abilities early in the film.
After being shown how to use it.
A depressed Luke struggling with his own emotions. Oh, no...
Barely.
How is this a bad thing? The whole Force thing is about balance. Darkness rises and light to meet it.
Nah, she was sweating.
Neither had Anakin and yet he was "the only human" who could podrace.
This times 1000. If Rey were as whiny as Luke and Anakin, I would not have even bothered to watch the Last Jedi. Her likability is - for me - pretty much the best thing to ever happen to the franchise and the only reason I'm still watching after being forced to suffer through those 2 irritating 'heroes' for six films (well - I also find the highly different, at least for Star Wars, approach that they're taking to the villains with Kylo Ren very interesting, as well) .
a) No one liked TPM, it was a bad movie and Anakin was an annoying little cunt that was one of the worst parts of a bad movie.
b) They at least tried to establish him as "the chosen one" who had exceptional abilities and we know he becomes Vader.
Let's compare Luke with Rey
Luke was an extremely skilled pilot, but we know he had been doing it for years and it was firmly established several times in the script.
MEANWHILE
Rey blows him out of the water and doesn't appear to have any piloting skills, especially not with the Falcon. She is better than Han. Without ever touching the Falcon.
Luke was an obnoxious kid who was just annoying Han for most of the movie. He bumbled his way through an escape plan, got them into trouble and had to be bailed out by Leia twice.
MEANWHILE
Rey does everything perfectly, even when she gets captured, she uses a fucking jedi mind trick AND ESCAPES HERSELF. She hasn't even met a Jedi at this point.
They're miles apart. I could go on, but compare ANH Luke to Luke in RotJ. They're completely separate characters with logical development.
Which article are you referring to? The one you posted as definitive proof that Rey was a Mary Sue but then didn't turn out to say what you thought it said because you have poor reading comphension, so now you're calling it stupid and going back to posting your same list of mushmouthed and easily refuted qualifications for Mary Suedom for the thousandth time?
She's not overpowered in comparison to other SW lead character Force users like Anakin and Luke, and even non-Force using leads share many of her traits like Han. The only difference is this one's a girl so you're flipping out about it.
I think she has a great personality and that why I like the character so much, despite the often times hugely derivitive of ANH film that TFA was, and I won't even get into my dislike of TLJ. Rey elevates the material she is in, IMO.
Who disliked Luke besides Walrus Face and Dr. Evazan at the cantina who just go around picking drunken fights with randos they don't even know on multiple desert planets? Seriously, do you even think about what you're typing before you commit to it? Because it doesn't seem like it.
Who is Rey an author insert for? George Lucas (concept)? JJ Abrams? Lawrence Kasdan? Michael Arndt?
You just said she has no faults or fails yet said she instantly corrects her fails. You're not consistent from one sentence to the next.
It's not throwing shade on the old movies to say she had a similar level of development as Luke and Anakin. I love the old movies, warts and all. I can just be objective and don't get all in a tizzywinkle if a girl exhibits the same traits and writing techniques as Luke and Anakin.
It's still precedent. Liked or not, Anakin demonstrated Force abilities without "meeting a Jedi." The Force exists within all life and it clearly can develop in people without knowing the Jedi.
Established how? Via spoken dialog? Same thing that Rey does.
She does what Luke does:
She uses the Force in a similar manner established by ANH-she acts on instinct, something that has been living her life on since being a child:
You can not like her as a character, you can find her bland and boring. That doesn't make her a Mary Sue.
Rey spent 15 years just trying to survive, learning to rely upon her instincts to keep herself going. She was probably the most uniquely suited person to respond to the Force's promoting as described by Obi-Wan
She says three times she's a pilot, (plus we see her riding a speeder, exactly like Luke)
Luke has never touched an X wing before.
Luke has lived on a farm being looked after by the family who conveniently die just as his adventure begins.
Rey has survived by his wits in a desert surrounded by criminals and scavengers.
What would you say if they had a similar level of life skills and competence?
Would that seem natural?
Dooku.
Who was an actual trained Sith, rather than Kylo who is essentially a teenager cosplaying and has no special light saber skills.
Indeed, given her background and the fact she's still alive it hardly seems unreasonable to postulate she's been unknowingly using the force for some time. Need to re watch the Maz Kanata scene in particular as I've a distinct feeling the dialogue suggests she has had similar experiences before.
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