When?
Poll Is Rey a Mary Sue?
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When?
Like what? What skills is she demonstrating that we have been told takes "years?" Luke was able to utilize acting on instincts, pulling a lightsaber to himself, and precise targeting after just learning about the Force hours ago.
Anakin can "see things before they happen," and pilot a podracer, something no human can do.
What is Rey doing that takes "years?"
Han sees potential, and Chewbacca liked Luke too. And every droid is hyperbole since R2 and 3PO have had zero interaction with Rey, beyond the brief trailer moment which we have zero context for.
Because Kylo, who is himself a powerful Force user but inexperienced and undisciplined, inadvertently taught her how to do it with his own Force probe of her mind. As he was searching her mind and she was trying to block him, it showed her how to employ some of the mind tricks that would help her escape.
The latter is what I mean when I call her a Mary Sue.
Whiners--- "Rey is a Mary Sue!"
not shown in the film..
Until Rey is a self-insert by the writer, she is not a Mary Sue by definition.
Wesley Crusher is closer to the definition of Mary Sue than Rey is.
Wesley Crusher is closer to the definition of Mary Sue than Rey is.
We see kylo probing her mind
Does someone need to come out and explicitly say it? We can watch her expression and infer her probing back. She even figures reads information from it.
At this point in time, I feel like ever ability Rey ever demonstrates must be explicitly explained on a screen in a way that isn't demanded of male characters.
according to the novelization, she downloaded all of Ren's training during that scene. Sorry bro.. that's VERY important.. to the story and bad filmmaking means we have no idea that it happened.
I infered it without reading the novel. It wasn't that hard to piece together, any more than I could figure out what Luke was doing in ESB with his lightsaber even though no one showed him.
That's also backed up by Rey's lightsaber practice with the rocks on the island being the same pattern of slashes and attacks Ren used fighting Luke at the end of TLJ. Of course, in TFA, she handled the saber in the same way she used her staff, much like Finn swung it around like a First Order zappy-club.
Frankly, if you care enough to whine about it, you care enough to watch the movie closely enough to figure it out (or go to forums or YouTube and have other people tell you what you didn't pick up). I doubt Star Wars became a sensation in 1977 because everyone left the theater thinking, "Yes, I've gotten everything I could possibly get out of this movie, any further viewings would be redundant."
Star Wars is definitely the movie I do this with, watching it again and again. I loved TFA and TLJ for that reason. Same with ANH and ROTJ (except for when the Ewok dies because...).
the idea that some things can go unspoken is part of filmmaking. But something so important, like Rey downloading her training in tha scene.. is a much bigger thing and something we didn't know the Force could do. And the look on her face is not enough to convey something that important.
I mean I have no trust in these filmmakers.. no logical rules (even in fantasy you have to have rules and limitations).. this is the same filmmaker that made it so Khan could BEAM from a small craft on earth to Kronos..
JJ is a trailer director that pads shit out to an hour and a half. He is a "pat myself on the back" director who doesn't care at all about verisimilitude,
I mean I have no trust in these filmmakers.. no logical rules (even in fantasy you have to have rules and limitations).. this is the same filmmaker that made it so Khan could BEAM from a small craft on earth to Kronos..
JJ is a trailer director that pads shit out to an hour and a half. He is a "pat myself on the back" director who doesn't care at all about verisimilitude,
I never read the novel and picked up on it. And I’m dumb as a box of rocks.
So...
It was for me.
Then why the need to rush off and train when he seemingly had learned quite a bit on his own?
yeah.. maybe .. I'm not convinced.It was for me.
But throughout the films JJ makes, there is always that connective tissue between one important element and another element.. eventually it all just leads to set-pieces, but it just feels like there is so much that isn't explained and that others (or the audience) are basically writing the film for him
But in ANH, every indication is that the powers the Force grants you are exclusively mental, stuff that's plausibly grounded in reality (at least by 1930s pulp standards where "hypnosis" has extremely broad applications); insight, special knowledge, the power of suggestion (there's no bruising or motion on the skin to suggest Vader is physically choking the officer and not just preventing him from acting to breathe). I still remember when I first heard Luke calling his Lightsaber to him in the ESB radio play, my reaction was the seven-year-old equivalent of "Bullshit."
It was a bit of a stretch for me that the Force had gone from something a fairly credulous person could believe was real, spooky powers-of-the-mind stuff to being outright magic powers. And it was another jump after that in RotJ when it could let someone shoot lightning. Compared to those leaps, I'd say interpreting that Rey must've read Kylo Ren's mind in the scene where she's explicitly shown reading Kylo Ren's mind, while he is explicitly attempting to read her mind in the exact same way he'd already done to Poe at the begging of the film isn't much of a fanwank.
