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News Brent Spiner Returned for "Picard" (and you could do the CGI better in 15 minutes, we get it)

I think considering how Picard seemingly is reflecting on many of the difficult issues of today and Picard's disillusionment with the Federation, it would be very fitting, ironic, and controversial if Data said, "You know, after all these years of seeing the cruelties humans are capable of, maybe I was wrong. I changed my mind. Maybe trying to be human was really not such a good idea after all."

(The irony being this statement by Data would itself be... very human).

Picard: "Data, as much as I desperately want to say otherwise, I'm not sure I can."

I think such a line would fit very well with the tone of the Picard show we've seen so far, honestly.

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On recasting:

I really like the recasting in the Kelvin films and on DISCOVERY. However, the recasting was not just plugging a new actor into the old costume to read the old actor's lines. Chris Pine wasn't asked to play William Shatner's Captain Kirk. He was asked to play Jim, a troubled, lonely, arrogant, showboating wiseass whose inability to resolve conflict peacefully masks a gift for leadership, improvisation and problem solving. Pine played a man who had the potential to become William Shatner's Captain Kirk.

And Zachary Quinto wasn't asked to play Leonard Nimoy's stately, diplomatic, detached scientist. He played an angry youth whose frustrated nature was tempered by the logic instilled in him by his father. He sought to behave and choose logically, but his demeanor indicated a repressed fury that Pine's Jim unleashed with comments about his mother. Quinto wasn't playing THE Spock, he was playing a young man who could become Spock.

Ethan Peck has a superficial similarity to Nimoy's bearing, but Peck played a version of Spock who had come apart at the seams. And even before that, the Spock that Peck played was not the Nimoy-Spock of TOS but the less defined version from "The Cage." This was a Spock before he had selected his persona.

In most of the recastings, we weren't being asked to pretend that these were the old actors playing the old characters. Instead, it was more like when a long running TV show casts a child actor to play a lead character in a flashback, except the Kelvin and DISCOVERY recastings would then have this younger actor transition to playing the fully grown version after they'd won the audience's acceptance.

I'm not sure how to pull this trick off for Data and I suspect it would be futile to try. It might be best to come up with a unique gameplan for Data that is as unique as his character. But the truth is, I'm partial to what Harrison Ford said who he'd want to play Indiana Jones after him: "Nobody. Nobody is going to be Indiana Jones. When I'm gone, he's gone."

The thing that always weirds me about with CG Cushing is that his movements are at a different framerate from the humans in his scenes. His facial movements are that of an animated character, not a living being. I can see the calculated algorithms underneath his skin. It doesn't have the emotive randomness of a person. It's not Peter Cushing. It's an approximation of Peter Cushing. And if Data moved like that, it would make sense to me; Data is an approximation of a person.
 
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Yeah, overall, I think Spiner looks pretty good as Data considering how much time has elapsed. It was the obvious hairline that got me. I have to believe they'll fix it.
 
Data's wig looks awful. The only part about the trailer I don't like. I wish they'd have just dyed Brent Spiner's real hair. He still has a full head of it.
Some digital screw up goin on here(possible rushed for the Trailer, the hairline looks digitally brought down, or a digital one added over the original, the original even shows through
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Digitally brought down and where the sides connect to the top should curve inward instead of outward. It's unnatural all the way around.
 
Data's wig looks awful. The only part about the trailer I don't like. I wish they'd have just dyed Brent Spiner's real hair. He still has a full head of it.


Digitally brought down and the where the sides connect to the top should curve inward instead of outward. It's unnatural all the way around.
Being a dream sequence (presumably), maybe it's how Picard viewed Data's hair, with a bit of jealousy over not having more hair of his own. ;)

But yeah, it needs fixing.
 
Perhaps Spiner should re-record his lines as well, he's sounding older there than he does in interviews
 
I think his face still looks weird there too. It almost looks swollen, and I checked one of the interview videos on StarTrek.com, and his face doesn't normally loo that big.
 
It’s not the hair which is irritating your brain its the overall bloaty face of Spiner, which would be ok if he’d play a human.

We remember Datas face as to be smooth, sharp edged and symmetrical (except for his nose ofc..) When you grow older, you will get skin bloats all over the place. They have to fix this. His face is even worse than the early rushed Discovery CGI...
 
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Why can't Data just look older? It's directly said in TNG that he will visibly age as he grows older.
I found the reference:
LAFORGE: It's part of her aging programme. Not only does she age in appearance like Data, her vital signs change too. (Inheritance)
 
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