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Dropped storylines

I wish “Conspiracy” had stuck with its original premise:

No alien parasites. The conspiracy was a simple coup from within Starfleet, like what DS9 would later do with Admiral Leyton.

Reportedly, Gene forbade the original version and insisted on the alien parasites.
 
I had also heard talk that TNG’s “Too Short A Season” was originally about Kirk, having to face the results of his actions in “A Private Little War”.

Now THAT I’d like to see.

Not just because I would have loved seeing Kirk turn up on TNG, but as for Jameson, the admiral who actually appeared in the ep...I swear, Clayton Rohner’s acting ability is such that he could not convey the concept of falling if you pushed him off a cliff. He makes Robert Beltran look like Sir Laurence Olivier.
 
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Who was responsible for the decimated outposts seen in TNG's season 1 finale The Neutral Zone, before it was retconned (a little clumsily, if you ask me) to be the Borg in BOBW?
It was always going to be the Borg. The original plan was to introduce the Borg in The Neutral Zone, but they didn't have the budget to show them in that episode and had to hold off until later in season 2 to introduce them.
 
It was always going to be the Borg. The original plan was to introduce the Borg in The Neutral Zone, but they didn't have the budget to show them in that episode and had to hold off until later in season 2 to introduce them.

Ah, OK. Interesting! An issue remains, though - why did Q have to shove the Enterprise thousands of light years away to encounter the Borg, when they were already in Federation space, destroying outposts? Doesn't really track. Or maybe I'm missing something. :shrug:
 
Q was just being a dick? I would say the right hand not knowing what the left had was doing, but then the destroyed outposts were mentioned in Q Who, so that doesn't hold up. I guess you could go with Mike Sussman's rationalization, that the Borg showed up in The Neutral Zone to investigate the signal sent out by the Borg drones in the Enterprise episode Regeneration, but not finding any kind of impressive technology at the outposts they attacked filed the Federation unworthy of assimilation and backed off. Then they encounter the Enterprise and suddenly the Federation looked a lot more interesting.
 
Q was just being a dick? I would say the right hand not knowing what the left had was doing, but then the destroyed outposts were mentioned in Q Who, so that doesn't hold up. I guess you could go with Mike Sussman's rationalization, that the Borg showed up in The Neutral Zone to investigate the signal sent out by the Borg drones in the Enterprise episode Regeneration, but not finding any kind of impressive technology at the outposts they attacked filed the Federation unworthy of assimilation and backed off. Then they encounter the Enterprise and suddenly the Federation looked a lot more interesting.

Q being Q, highly likely! :hugegrin:

Random personal rationalisation: the Borg attacking the Neutral Zone outposts were just small scout vessels (no idea if the Borg actually send out scouts, but even a small Borg ship is likely gonna pack a pretty serious punch, so...) investigating areas and races before the Borg fully commit to assimilating them. Q, being a dick and wanting a grandiose show and a big impact, ignored them in favour of a full cube, hence the dramatic spatial displacement. Just speculating, but isn't that half the fun?

Sussman's explanation certainly makes decent sense of it, in hindsight, but within TNG itself... Guess it'll just have to be put down as a narrative blip. They happen to the best of us!
 
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Yeah, and compared to other such blips in Star Trek this one isn't all that serious.

A curiosity, nothing more, and hard to mind it when it sparks the imagination so much. :-)

Yes, the Borg do have scout ships: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Borg_scout_ship

I always thought that those Neutral Zone outposts were just really, really, really remote. So it wouldn't be inconceivable that some long-range Borg ship had ventured into that area from the other side, but that Borg ship was also pretty far from its home base.

Kor

That helps my improvised headcanon a bit - thanks! And also very plausible. Passing through or by, samples the local flavour a bit, doesn't take to it, moves on. It's actually a fascinating, and unnerving thought that the Borg could be keeping tabs on races, checking them every so often, patiently waiting until they're finally worth assimilating.
 
The "Class of '78" line was because the show was operating on the Spaceflight Chronology timeline at that point.

Whatever the chronology the show was using then, the line remains in a canon episode and was actually said in canon.

Therefore, it seems logical to deduce that in the Earth calendar used in the era of "Encounter at Farpoint" the date when Data was graduated from Starfleet Academy and was commissioned in Starfleet was '78 of an unspecified century.

Now look at "The Neutral Zone":

RALPH: What year is this?
DATA: By your calendar two thousand three hundred sixty four.

Data's words do not mention whether Ralph's calendar is also Data's calendar. But by specifying that it is "your calendar", not "our calendar", and not "the calendar", and not "The Earth calendar", Data seems to be implying that the calendar has changed at least once since Ralph died.

And it seems pretty clear that Ralph's calendar was not the calendar that Data used in "Encounter at Farpoint".

As I said in post number above:

The year of "Datalore" should have been sometime between about '91.000 of one century to '01.998 of the next century.

So obviously a year can not be both 2364 and from '91 to '00, or be '01, in the same calendar.

Since publicity in the first season said that it was happening in the 24th century, I am assuming that it happened between 2301 and 2400 of that calendar.

So if the year was between 2391 and 2400 in Data's calendar, and 2364 in Ralph's calendar, the year one in Ralph's calendar should be between about 27 to 36 in Data's calendar.

If the year was 2301 in Data's calendar and 2364 in Ralph's calendar, the year one in Data's calendar would be about 63 in Ralph's calendar.

If a United Earth government is formed, it may sometimes change its flag, coat of arms, anthem, etc. to satisfy various pressure groups that advocate various symbols that they consider best for United Earth. And possibly the United Earth government would sometimes change the official United Earth calendar to satisfy various pressure groups.

So presumably the United Earth changed the official United Earth calendar at least once while Ralph was preserved in the capsule. And my guess is that when Ralph, Sonny, and Clare returned to Earth they became celebrities via the closest future equivalents to tabloids, television, and the internet, since they were from even farther in the past than Khan's people would have been if they returned to Earth.

The fame of the living dead people used to Ralph's calendar would have been used by pressure groups advocating for the use of Ralph's calendar to push to have Ralph's calendar decreed the official United Earth calendar. And it looks like they eventually succeeded, since in later seasons of TNG, DS9, and VOY, dates of contemporary events, when given, were consistent with being given in Ralph's calendar.

The creators of TNG might not have intended to depict the United Earth changing the official United Earth calendar in the early seasons of TNG, but that is what they ended up depicting in the first seasons of TNG. That is what the first few seasons of TNG depict. That is in the canon of Star Trek.

How many dates mentioned in any Star Trek series mentioned AD or BC, CE or BCE? According to my count, few enough to be counted on the fingers of two hands - possibly on the fingers of a single hand of some species.

And IMHO it would be very foolish to assume that any Star Trek where the dating system is not specified is in the AD/BC or CE/BCE system.
 
Whatever the chronology the show was using then, the line remains in a canon episode and was actually said in canon.

Therefore, it seems logical to deduce that in the Earth calendar used in the era of "Encounter at Farpoint" the date when Data was graduated from Starfleet Academy and was commissioned in Starfleet was '78 of an unspecified century.

Now look at "The Neutral Zone":

RALPH: What year is this?
DATA: By your calendar two thousand three hundred sixty four.

Data's words do not mention whether Ralph's calendar is also Data's calendar. But by specifying that it is "your calendar", not "our calendar", and not "the calendar", and not "The Earth calendar", Data seems to be implying that the calendar has changed at least once since Ralph died.

And it seems pretty clear that Ralph's calendar was not the calendar that Data used in "Encounter at Farpoint".

As I said in post number above:



So obviously a year can not be both 2364 and from '91 to '00, or be '01, in the same calendar.

Since publicity in the first season said that it was happening in the 24th century, I am assuming that it happened between 2301 and 2400 of that calendar.

So if the year was between 2391 and 2400 in Data's calendar, and 2364 in Ralph's calendar, the year one in Ralph's calendar should be between about 27 to 36 in Data's calendar.

If the year was 2301 in Data's calendar and 2364 in Ralph's calendar, the year one in Data's calendar would be about 63 in Ralph's calendar.

If a United Earth government is formed, it may sometimes change its flag, coat of arms, anthem, etc. to satisfy various pressure groups that advocate various symbols that they consider best for United Earth. And possibly the United Earth government would sometimes change the official United Earth calendar to satisfy various pressure groups.

So presumably the United Earth changed the official United Earth calendar at least once while Ralph was preserved in the capsule. And my guess is that when Ralph, Sonny, and Clare returned to Earth they became celebrities via the closest future equivalents to tabloids, television, and the internet, since they were from even farther in the past than Khan's people would have been if they returned to Earth.

The fame of the living dead people used to Ralph's calendar would have been used by pressure groups advocating for the use of Ralph's calendar to push to have Ralph's calendar decreed the official United Earth calendar. And it looks like they eventually succeeded, since in later seasons of TNG, DS9, and VOY, dates of contemporary events, when given, were consistent with being given in Ralph's calendar.

The creators of TNG might not have intended to depict the United Earth changing the official United Earth calendar in the early seasons of TNG, but that is what they ended up depicting in the first seasons of TNG. That is what the first few seasons of TNG depict. That is in the canon of Star Trek.

How many dates mentioned in any Star Trek series mentioned AD or BC, CE or BCE? According to my count, few enough to be counted on the fingers of two hands - possibly on the fingers of a single hand of some species.

And IMHO it would be very foolish to assume that any Star Trek where the dating system is not specified is in the AD/BC or CE/BCE system.
Oh....my....goodness...
 
Whatever the chronology the show was using then, the line remains in a canon episode and was actually said in canon.

Therefore, it seems logical to deduce that in the Earth calendar used in the era of "Encounter at Farpoint" the date when Data was graduated from Starfleet Academy and was commissioned in Starfleet was '78 of an unspecified century.
Or just chalk it up as an inconsistency because the show hadn't nailed down an official timeline yet. :)
 
Working with what we know now, by "Class of 78", Data must've been referring to something else. A crazy stardate system (different than what was in use in TNG), the class size of the Academy or maybe just the fellow exobiology majors, or most likely some other calendar (Omicron Theta founding? Noonien Soong's age? 78 years before 2345 is 2267...). Maybe something exciting happened in his graduating year, with regard to 78 heroic figures or 78 days of silence or something, and Data was part of this legendary graduating class.

Data uses the phrase "your calendar" to Offenhouse because Data uses stardates (primarily) and Offenhouse is probably only familiar with the Gregorian calendar. That seems simple enough to me.
 
Working with what we know now, by "Class of 78", Data must've been referring to something else. A crazy stardate system (different than what was in use in TNG), the class size of the Academy or maybe just the fellow exobiology majors, or most likely some other calendar (Omicron Theta founding? Noonien Soong's age? 78 years before 2345 is 2267...). Maybe something exciting happened in his graduating year, with regard to 78 heroic figures or 78 days of silence or something, and Data was part of this legendary graduating class.

Data uses the phrase "your calendar" to Offenhouse because Data uses stardates (primarily) and Offenhouse is probably only familiar with the Gregorian calendar. That seems simple enough to me.
It was a date seemingly based on the FASA Trek/Star Trek: Spaceflight Chronology dates, which were roughly 50 years behind what was later established in the Star Trek Chronology (which became the basis for all on-screen dating from about 1993 onwards)
 
Perhaps it wasn't the Borg. :shifty:

In The Neutral Zone? It's certainly an intriguing "what if?" to pursue, arguably the most intriguing. Example: since outposts on both sides of the zone were hit, it stands to reason someone was trying to set the Federation and the Romulans against each other, but who? The Cardassians? A rogue Klingon faction, maybe involving dear, duplicitous Duras? A rogue Federation faction? Or some shadowy newcomer with mysterious designs of their own?

Quite the rabbit hole, that. ;)
 
Dropped storyline:

What happened to Crewman Daniel's super spooky quarters? Did they get blown up? Did Starfleet command get their hands on all that technology? They had this resource that had the schematics for every ship ever made. I think they used it two or three times. Eventually it ceased to exist.
 
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