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It wasn't any worse than dozens of other planets.
The cops weren't. I got the impression that what we were seeing was some kind of recreational area.
I don't think it's unpopular. What made the borg scary (among other things) was that together they were like a superbrain, each borg being like a cell of this brain; The Borg Queen ruins that idea.
Well it has been with people I know in real life.
The Queen made sense.
After it became clear that the Borg were a group of captives, it explained why "the collective" didn't simple decide they all were to be released. The collective were never in control, the Queen (or Queens) had top level control and the captive were just that. Captives.
There were no collective decisions being made, there was no superbrain. Yes the captives memories and knowledge was being use, as were the captives physical abilities. But they were being steered by the Queen.
She was the consciousness.
After it became clear that the Borg were a group of captives, it explained why "the collective" didn't simple decide they all were to be released. The collective were never in control, the Queen (or Queens) had top level control and the captive were just that. Captives.
There were no collective decisions being made, there was no superbrain. Yes the captives memories and knowledge was being use, as were the captives physical abilities. But they were being steered by the Queen.
She was the consciousness.
The Queen only existed because ST:FC needed a villain who could share scenes with Picard. That is literally the only reason she was ever there. You can't have Picard talking to disembodied voices, that would ruin the drama.
In 1996, I remember everyone -- meaning my peers -- thinking First Contact was awesome. No one was complaining about a Borg Queen in my circle and neither was I. And online, at that time, I didn't notice it either.
It didn't become an issue online until the Borg Queen started showing up on Voyager and then, retroactively, the complaints were, "The Borg Queen ruined the Borg!" Nothing's ever a problem until it happens in something you're not a fan of. It's true now, it was true back then.
It didn't become an issue online until the Borg Queen started showing up on Voyager and then, retroactively, the complaints were, "The Borg Queen ruined the Borg!" Nothing's ever a problem until it happens in something you're not a fan of. It's true now, it was true back then.
In colonies of ants, bees, and termites, the Queen only has one purpose, reproduction, which makes the analogy with the Borg spurious, unless someone will argue that the Queen spawned all the collective... The Queen serves no purpose. The first contact of Janeway with the Borg was with the collective (Scorpion), there was no mention of a Queen back then and it was dramatically much more effective.
Disagree, YMMV.
The Borg queen makes zero sense if the Borg are like ants.
Fair enough.
Agree with this completely. The collective exists to serve the will of the queen. She directs them, they do as they are told. Everything that makes the Borg the Borg is used by the queen to control the assimilated masses. it's only those that are born Borg that serve willingly, and they are vastly outnumbered, so they need some mechanism to control the rest. The queen is that mechanism. She exists because they need her singular will, and they exist to serve it.
As for Justice, for all that it needed a major overhaul to be a better episode, starting with a script polish, it was the first episode that didn't make me pull my hair out over the hanging B plot. Both stories reached a conclusion.
The original script for the episode that became Justice was far different from what we finally got. It would have been set on a more dystopian world where the "death penalty for everything" evolved to restore order in an anarchic system. Initially it did have that effect, but the authorities have since become comfortable with the system as a means to maintain power. An Enterprise officer would have been killed for unwittingly violating a crime scene, and Picard would have had to choose whether to help a rebellious element that wants to remove those in charge. With one ending suggesting they succeed in gaining power, but decide to maintain the system for "security" reasons. The central question in this version would be, with the power of life and death, is it possible to use such a system justly? Or would it invariably lead to corruption?
You know, whenever I hear about the original versions of stories they did on TNG, I usually think, "Wow, that sounds much more interesting than the episode we actually got." This one is no exception.
I’m torn between liking her as a character and really not liking how her introduction altered the basic concept of the Borg.
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