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Not only is this not a prevailing opinion, but no one ever says this. Like the whole point of that movement is "don't hassle anyone for having a preferred orifice".
And by extension, Beverly was a-ok to turn down Odan. Not only had a fundamental part of their relationship changed, but the Trill was kind of a jerk to assume she could keep on going as if nothing happened. If you're smart enough to hide your nature as a symbiont, you're smart enough to realize that when the game's up that you ought to be tactful.
Not sure if you want to toss in later canon, but even if Odan-symbiont was still alive, Odan-host was dead and therefore a big part of who the person Bev fell for was gone
I think it's a-ok for Beverly to be heterosexual and just refuse Odan's incarnation because it's a woman. We have a similar thing in real life although it's very rare. It's when someone who used to be of one gender gets a sex change operation. If an old flame of mine came back after such an operation, I know what my answer would be: "Let's just be friends."
Well, someone said it in this thread, or I'd never have chimed in on it at all. Someone suggested Bev was slightly homophobic for not entering into a homosexual relationship. I actually agree with all your points, & it wasn't my intention to suggest that the inclination to support such a claim is in any way a predominant opinion, but among those who do hold to it... it prevails, or I wouldn't have seen it here lol
Now, while Bev certainly isn't being homophobic, & it's totally acceptably imho for her to reject Odan on sexuality grounds, that's not actually how she puts it.
Now to be fair, I kind of find that statement, in itself, to be somewhat shallow. Frankly, if the gender of the host weren't a factor, then how would a person you love, being in a new form, be any different than say a loved one having had a disfiguring accident? It's still the person you love, but circumstances are such, that they just look different now. A more open-minded human doesn't get put off by that, with someone they truly love. Maybe Bev is just using that as an excuse to be polite about the gender issue, which might be the real reason, but imho it's kind of a cop-outBeverly said:
As someone who has some bi or pansexual tendencies myself, I (Personally) see it being even a bit shallow in terms of gender, because if I truly loved someone, who was pre-op trans, & I loved them in that form, but they then went on to fully transition, I really couldn't see myself no longer loving them, based on that, but again, that's just me. Someone who is exclusively hetero OR homosexual might not see it that way, & that's ok too TBH.
I think it's ok to be shallow sometimes. Relations between adults are not necessarily an all or nothing thing. You can like someone enough to sleep with them once in a while but not enough to spend the rest of your life with them. You can like someone because of their looks, their sense of humor or their cleverness and stop liking them when they change. Some people I know that used to be stimulating and funny have become dull and boring. Why should I force myself to frequent them under these conditions? There is nothing that says that relations must be unconditional.
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And it's perfectly OK for Beverly to reject Odan for being a female.
She obviously was expected another male to be the new Odan. She was smiling when Worf said Odan had arrived. She said "send him in". Then her smile dropped when she saw Odan was female now.
If only Beverly had simply told the truth, that she wasn't expecting a female, and because of that she couldn't go any further with the relationship.
The problem is, her character could never be seen saying that, because it would interfere with the idea of how enlightened people in her era are.
So she can't say that, yet because of TV network cautioning of the time, she won't go through with a relationship with a woman either. Or either even consider it. She has to reject her outright then and there, and use 'can't keep up with the changes' as an excuse.
This is probably what making some think it had a homophobic ring to it. She calls it a human failing when up to that point, Trek had been saying those types of failing were long gone.
I could have never gotten over the slug-in-the-belly part to begin with.
You mean you'd never go out with someone who's got a tapeworm?
You mean you'd never go out with someone who's got a tapeworm?
Not a tapeworm that size!
Because you don't live in a society with diverse nonhuman cultures......yet lolI could have never gotten over the slug-in-the-belly part to begin with.
In the Star Trek universe how many humans fail the' Guess who is coming to dinner' test
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they evolved spots port and starboard to distract you
That's fair. Who among us hasn't been? Attraction is real. Some times you just don't have the chemistry, or don't anymore, & sometimes, looks has something to do with that. However, it's a matter of degrees of investment too. I mean someone married 30 years, who gets disfigured in a fire or something? I really kind of hope that I'm mature enough to know that love means more than just how they look, & if I found I wasn't, I'd be ashamed of that
Beverly's body language and demeanor also has a lot to do with it. At first she's smiling and seems relieved that she got Odan back. Then comes the reveal, the smile drops, and then she's visibly cold and indifferent from that point on.
Some viewers with this viewpoint claim she even seemed shocked when Odan kissed her hand. The problem is the scene itself is obviously saying she expected a male and was into males only, but the script won't let her say it, even in the nicest terms.
She could have considered the possibility, mulled over it, wondered if she could be with a woman and actually mention it, (even though she'll eventually say no) but even that was too much for the show at the time.
Beverly does say she loves Odan, but she completely dumped her. You can tell she wasn't interested in any contact whatsoever after that.
Which goes to the other opinion, humans got worse as the franchise went on.
Be'lanna Torres was a mess.
Some viewers with this viewpoint claim she even seemed shocked when Odan kissed her hand. The problem is the scene itself is obviously saying she expected a male and was into males only, but the script won't let her say it, even in the nicest terms.
She could have considered the possibility, mulled over it, wondered if she could be with a woman and actually mention it, (even though she'll eventually say no) but even that was too much for the show at the time.
Beverly does say she loves Odan, but she completely dumped her. You can tell she wasn't interested in any contact whatsoever after that.
Which goes to the other opinion, humans got worse as the franchise went on.
Be'lanna Torres was a mess.
I don't think humans 'got worse', I think they had a different target for any latent prejudiced tendencies. Being worried your (generic) daughter is going to hook up with the brown looking human guy whose family has been living in the same nation state since the 18th century, is a lot harder to justify than being worried your daughter is going to hook up with that weird blue Andorian guy from Alpha Centuri. Bloody foreigners with their four genders!
Be'Lanna's human dad dumped her Klingon mum. Worf's ex also had a Klingon dad and a human mother so it seem Klingons and Humans getting it on in the 24th century did not raise many eyebrows, pretty good going since its only 70 years since the end of hostilities in TUC.
Its taking longer in real life for humans of different skin tones to get together, without it being a major issue.
Humans should be so enlightened it should not matter if an individual is heterosexual, homosexual, pansexual, xenosexual or terransexual. There's more than enough beings in the Star Trek universe to hook up with. Sady we are limited to 7.7 billion lol
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On their planet, the marsupial mammals won the war over the placental. Jadzia's baby would have been the size of a thumb!!!
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