Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season
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There needs to be real consequences after this battle. No way in hell does Dany have the forces to defeat Cersei anymore, even with two dragons (injured at that). They need to find a different way other than direct conflict to take the Iron Throne off her.
It's called Dramatic Television.
The same reason why every bad guy ever waits to kill the hero.
It's called Dramatic Television.
The same reason why every bad guy ever waits to kill the hero.
Yeah. It's become very clear across the series that Jon is not some incredible warrior. He's also certainly no great schemer, or honestly a great thinker in general (D&D made him stupider than book Jon on purpose to make him not so Gary Stuish). But he's a great commander, insofar as he both has the ability to bring people together and is willing to listen to his advisers when they have good ideas, modifying his course of action. He'd honestly be a pretty good king, as long as he had a hand who could actually play the game well. Someone like say Tyrion.
That's a great idea. I felt going in that we should lose 10 recurring characters. We lost 6.
This wasn't the most well thought out battle. They should have never taken them on in the open field where the dead had superior numbers.
Was this luck, or destiny? The Lord of Light clearly is some unseen supernatural entity that did guide the heroes. He brought back Jon and Beric for a reason. Jon came up with the battle plan was able to unite the armies to get them to fight the Night King. Beric was brought back multiple times to save Arya's life so she could be the one to kill the Night King. Melisandre, the servant of the Lord of Light, saw Arya's future. She would kill people with brown eyes, blue eyes and green eyes--and notice the order. The Freys had brown eyes, the dead had blue. Cersei's eyes are green. Will Arya kill her too?
The Lord of Light guided Arya. Everything she did allowed her that moment. Arya was the trained by the Faceless Men in Braavos. Trained to kill. But not just that, trained to be invisible. That was the skill that got her to the Night King. And the ability to switch hands--that was a skill she learned too. She used it on Brienne when they sparred.
So no, I don't think that was luck.
I think it was divine intervention.
On this show, probably the second best death, behind Barristan. However, it's in the debate and I can see the preference. She was awesome in every scene she was in. Terrific writing, terrific acting. I hope this girl gets another badass role like that.
Couldn't agree more. I can't stand the excuses. They showed they can do the CGI in daylight.
Is there one quote from one person to back up this claim of sexism? Or is it just circumstance that has this accusation, and the sexism is yours?
And there were lots of heroes in this episode. A man saved Arya's life, sacrificing his own, so that Arya could fulfill her destiny. A man died protecting Dany. A man was the reason the armies united in the first place. There was plenty of male heroism in the show. The decision to have Arya take out the Night King was not a fake girl power moment. It was a great choice because she is the biggest badass on the show, well trained to get to him better than anyone, and has the guts to pull it off.
We don't know how badly off they are. I think the next episode should be a regrouping. Jon and Dany need to deal with the fact that Jon, not Dany, is the rightful heir to the throne. He's also the loved King in the North. I think both Jon and Dany should be convinced to do the right thing and get Jon on board with taking over the seven kingdoms. That would unite the North behind the quest for the Iron Throne.
Jon knows the people, and while Dany does have a lot of good in her, she also doesn't have the best judgment at times and has not shown enough true wisdom to lead. It might be interesting to have Dany heroically sacrifice her life for Jon at some point.
Honestly, I have no clue what they are going to do there. However, I wonder if Arya is going to die now. I can't think of anyone dying that would bother me more than Arya. And Melisandre has been wrong before. Maybe she pulls the exact same move on Cersei, only to be stopped by the mountain, leading to the Clegane bowl.
By the way, Jon might have tried sending someone to Braavos for help in this fight too--they are kind of badasses. Look what they did to Arya.
And you lose all credibility right there!
Ta Ta.
He's very handy with a sword.
Well we do have the upcoming Long Night prequel next year.
Twitter is full of them.
100% fucking agree with your review!
Not cool. It's OK to disagree with other posters but not OK to insult them as whiners or being sexist.
I actually felt sure it was going to be Arya who killed the Night King for quite some time now. It's the logical conclusion of her arc. It feels fitting. But, I didn't like how it was done and the fact that the fight against the dead which was set up from the first scene of the series was resolved so quickly and simply.
That's not what's going on, but go ahead and inject your personal political agenda into it. :/
Pretty sure they don't get pregnant. Remember those eggs?
There do exist people complaining that a woman saved the day, but none of them are here.
The more I think about it,the dead take commands directly from the white walkers so it makes sense that they would fall dead if the walkers were gone. But they should have had to kill all the walkers for it to work, not just the strongest one.
The more I think about it,the dead take commands directly from the white walkers so it makes sense that they would fall dead if the walkers were gone. But they should have had to kill all the walkers for it to work, not just the strongest one.
Isn't it some kind of pyramid system? If you get the Night King the White Walkers and the Undead are gone (as presumably the King turned the Walkers), if you get one White Walkers you get all those Undead that specific Walker brought into existence.
So, it made sense to me that with the "death" of the Night Walker everyone of his soldiers dies as well.
Well, there are some basics that any military history buff would know.
Like reduce a superior enemy force with artillery and airpower before committing foot soldiers.
You raise good points here and it was helpful for my understanding. I'll grant that what you describe fits what was shown. I guess I just don't like divine intervention as a storytelling device. Just don't like it. So, you're probably right, but it's not my thing and that would explain my disappointment.
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