Yes. And I honestly don't think that was ever really in doubt. Especially as far as the TV series is concerned, the article you linked has hit on what appears to be the moral of the story. Undead armies, magical frost demons, and dragons are one thing. Terror that can't be fully quantified or overcome. But they pale in comparison to what somebody like Cersei Lannister can, or will do. Somebody human, who we should be able to understand. But who will nevertheless destroy everything and everybody she touches just because she can.
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Yes. And I honestly don't think that was ever really in doubt. Especially as far as the TV series is concerned, the article you linked has hit on what appears to be the moral of the story. Undead armies, magical frost demons, and dragons are one thing. Terror that can't be fully quantified or overcome. But they pale in comparison to what somebody like Cersei Lannister can, or will do. Somebody human, who we should be able to understand. But who will nevertheless destroy everything and everybody she touches just because she can.
I generally say not to be sure about *anything* in Game of Thrones. But, yes, of all things, that one seems most definite to me. Jaime has come a long way. Tyrion pointed out that Jaime always knew what she was like but loved her anyway. That has changed and him knighting Brienne was symbolic of that. That act locks in his fate to take on Cersei. Brienne and Cersei are about as opposite as you can get. He's now firmly on the other side.
I also wondered about the wildfyre situation and the possibility you mention.
That's interesting but it's also one actor's opinion. We don't know if his character survives the next episode. If he doesn't, then his the actor doesn't know how the series ends. Plus, he wouldn't reveal any spoilers in an interview anyway. He's just stating how dangerous Cersei is, whom his character had interacted with frequently. It could even be intentional misdirection. I wouldn't put too much stock in the idea that this interview indicates anything about how the series ends. Maybe. But not necessarily.
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That's one interesting take.
Another is that humans can ignorantly squabble and fight amongst themselves while a larger existential threat is looming. Here the humans are playing a "game" and overlooking the larger stakes of their survival. The throne is a "game" while the real stakes are much higher. Kind of flips the title of the series on its head. Makes it ironic. It's akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic while she sinks.
We'll see which interpretation is correct within a month! There might be shades of both because the actions of someone like Cersei are bad enough on their own. However, in the context of a larger threat, she risks their very survival.
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This is an interesting take, especially given that GoT is widely regarded as a global warming analogy.
Vox published a fascinating conversation between Vox contributor Alex Ward and three military experts, MIchael Horowitz, Asha Castleberry, and Max Brooks, about their expectations for the Battle of Winterfell.
Among other things, they talked about how good people will make bad decisions, the possibly of the Night King flying south to King's Landing, the folly of Theon guarding Bran, the folly of hiding people in the crypt, the secret passageways of the castle (both as a boon and a curse), the possibility of the "they can't swim" rule being broken, the contrasting war strategies of dictatorships and democracies, and who will ultimately win and why.
Also, Max Brooks asks why aren't they using wildfire, and while no one the conversation answers this, I think the answer is simply because they don't have the time and material to produce any. Cersei used the long-term stores that were slowly amassed during Aerys' reign.
Among other things, they talked about how good people will make bad decisions, the possibly of the Night King flying south to King's Landing, the folly of Theon guarding Bran, the folly of hiding people in the crypt, the secret passageways of the castle (both as a boon and a curse), the possibility of the "they can't swim" rule being broken, the contrasting war strategies of dictatorships and democracies, and who will ultimately win and why.
Also, Max Brooks asks why aren't they using wildfire, and while no one the conversation answers this, I think the answer is simply because they don't have the time and material to produce any. Cersei used the long-term stores that were slowly amassed during Aerys' reign.
Thanks for the link - great read!
The only ending that would make me mad is if the walkers won.
Which I’m not totally sure will not happen.
Which I’m not totally sure will not happen.
Thanks for posting that! Fascinating read! Their analysis largely agrees with mine about probable outcomes.
Love the quote from GRRM about how his characters always make the bad decision. They tried to figure out what that bad decision will be for this battle. My guess is that the bad decision has already been made for the battle. The bad decision was to use Bran as bait. Ultimately, I think they'll save him, but at a very large price. Putting such a valuable asset in a vulnerable position was a dumb move.
For all we know, the Night King will appear--kill Theon, and then sit down for a long chat with Bran as the battle rages around them.
Does that qualify as bittersweet or downright depressing?
I just don't know. 24 hours from now I will. I think it *could* be a game changer for Dany. Will the better side of her win over the "I MUST rule the seven kingdoms"?
Why not? I wouldn't mind a bit more than endless night and erasing Bran as the memory for his motivations.
Is anybody else planning on waiting to watch tonight's episode until after spoilers and recaps have hit the Internet?
Not that much choice as the usual airing for me is at 9pm tomorrow (So yeah, going to avoid certain sites and threads as much as possible)
Theoretically, I could watch at 2am tonight but duty calls
I turned up the brightness on my TV and it looked like this:
Wow, that was remarkably straightforward compared to what people said. Not an incredibly high main character body count either...
Edd
Lyanna
Berric Dondarrion
Theon
Jorah
The Night King
Did Jon's dragon die? It was pretty unclear to me. Doesn't seem to be in next episode's teaser.
Lyanna
Berric Dondarrion
Theon
Jorah
The Night King
Did Jon's dragon die? It was pretty unclear to me. Doesn't seem to be in next episode's teaser.
It was the Princess That Was Promised rather than The Prince That Was Promised.
I think you got all the main characters that we saw die, eschaton.
At least Lyanna Mormont went in the most heroic way possible.
I think you got all the main characters that we saw die, eschaton.
At least Lyanna Mormont went in the most heroic way possible.
Excellent move by Arya.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who got an RE vibe during the library scene.
Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid and Assassin's Creed.Arya playing some Resident Evil there.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who got an RE vibe during the library scene.
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