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Do you feel the dialogue is, at times, unfitting of military/science personnel?

The dialogue is fine for military-ish science-y professionals, as far as being "fitting". There's an overreliance on metaphorical explanation, many of which are great except there's so many fit into such a short time span that sometimes that's a deadly drinking game. Tilly would be fine if the crew around her recognized that she acted that way and just rolled with it instead of pausing awkwardly every time as though this is the first time anyone has said anything that inappropriate on the bridge.
 
Speaking as someone who enjoys The Orville quite a bit, I... have no problem saying that you are utterly correct. The shark has been flown over, and possibly exploded.

I agree.

I enjoy The Orville as well, but the entire premise of the show is that it's looser, informal and more comedy-driven than typical Star Trek. Given that truth, saying that it "nails professional/scientific/military lingo" is absolutely absurd.
 
I agree.

I enjoy The Orville as well, but the entire premise of the show is that it's looser, informal and more comedy-driven than typical Star Trek. Given that truth, saying that it "nails professional/scientific/military lingo" is absolutely absurd.
It's a comedy so obviously all the language must be perfectly serious.
 
The shark was jumped by a shark riding a motorcycle, being jumped by yet another shark.
You forgot the Leather Jacket.

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When your former power hitter only hits singles once in a while, time to retire.

As long as we're going with baseball metaphors, Everyone knows most power hitters strike out a lot more than they hit home runs even if they hit a lot of those.
 
The Orville is close to perfection, if someone needs a good picture of the modern military.

But I will allow myself to stop here. Some people just get too nervous and insufferable if someone brings The Orville to the Discovery discussion...

The Orville is close to perfection, if someone needs a good picture of what Parks and Recreation would have looked like if it had been set in space and the characters put in color coded uniforms and put in beige sets and forced to do readings of rejected early drafts of TNG scripts.
 
I feel too much hate and misunderstanding in this thread.

Well, if this thread remains open in the coming days, I will try to explain my position in more detail.
 
I've never gotten around to watching The Orville. I'd like to and I guess I should some day but I never seem to find the time.

The dialog on DSC does seem to be a bit variable and I wonder how much of this is down to the different writers. The actors do seem to be doing their best to try to make their own characters consistent. So far, Doug Jones' Saru has been a real stand-out for me and Anson Mount's take on Pike has worked particularly well. I'm kinda liking Ethan Peck's Spock too.

The lines are definitely clunky at times but this isn't just a military-procedural show or a bunch of dry scientists in a lab. I've never been in the military but I am a physician and previously worked in uniform in EMS for about a decade (and I've spent time in academic labs); people are people wherever you go and, frankly, most of the time they chat and talk normally in ANY occupation. The difference is the professionalism and training that kicks in very rapidly when something unexpected or serious happens -- THEN you see the change in gear to very clear, precise communication with reference to safety checklists, read-back of orders, or whatever. Good people with good training can do that in the blink of an eye -- and then wind down and go back to "normal" when it's all done.

I can run a busy ICU with very sick patients who have extremely complex illnesses and lots of complex organ support -- but I can still chat to my junior docs and senior and junior nurses. I can be joking with our senior nurse-in-charge one moment but if a patient crashes or we get a critical new admission then it's all eyes on the task and hands-on. The communication changes instantly -- but that doesn't mean it becomes stilted or unnatural; it's the FOCUS on the task that is key (and, to be honest, it certainly doesn't prevent humor or banter creeping in either, even if what we're DOING is still absolutely on-point).

Now, hospital shows sure don't get this right (in fact, for me, their dialog can truly suck big-time as the writers play up the drama for the viewers) and I think you're seeing the same thing on DSC. Yes, Burnham is probably one of the more inconsistent here and the writers seem determined to keep playing Tilly for laughs or as just plain awkward without allowing her any room for professional development and growth. As a side note, she does remind me of some of my more nerdy junior docs but with support and coaching, they get more confident and calm down as they gain experience -- they need to allow Tilly to do the same or she becomes too one-dimensional.

The end of the last episode when Pike takes on Burnham's point about destroying Discovery to prevent Control accessing the Sphere data wasn't such a bad scene; yes, bits of it were over-played (or, rather, over-written) for dramatic effect -- but, nevertheless, there was a definite sense on that bridge of "oh, shit, this just became serious" followed by Pike returning to THE CHAIR (big visual cue...) and a pan round the rest of the officers to emphasis that "the Captain has just made a big decision and we're all about to get orders -- so we're paying attention."

All in all, I think DSC is slowly evolving; it's not perfect but it's kinda getting there.
 
I feel too much hate and misunderstanding in this thread.

Well, if this thread remains open in the coming days, I will try to explain my position in more detail.
lol. You feel hate and misunderstanding, just like you preemptively felt "nervous[ness] and insufferable[ness]" before you even clicked the Post button the first time. I feel amusement.

Let me explain my position in more detail. If you stop filtering everything through preconceived feelings, I think you'll find that the supposed rivalry between Discovery and Orville is mostly the domain of trolls and clickbait, which doesn't represent typical viewers. I've enjoyed both, and I don't hate what you wrote. In fact, I think your comedy writing is right up there with Seth MacFarlane.
 
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