Spoilers The Walking Dead - Season 9 discussion and spoilers

[Morpheus 02]

I will respond in more detail after some sleep...


Just... Wow.

But I am glad it is Henry and not Ezekiel...and love live QUEEN Carol.

Question: has Carl's role in the comics been split between Henry and Judith?

Also...is there anyone left to lead Hilltop? The previews said the Kingdom had fallen...bit if no one is left leading at Hilltop? Did reinforcements arrive??

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Holy shit, my DVR cut off the last third of the episode! At least, Talking Dead only spoiled the one before I figured out what was going on (I missed Hardwick's warning). Even OnDemand was fucked, I had to go to AMC's website to see it. What a fuck up!

 

[crookeddy]

Holy shit, my DVR cut off the last third of the episode! At least, Talking Dead only spoiled the one before I figured out what was going on (I missed Hardwick's warning). Even OnDemand was fucked, I had to go to AMC's website to see it. What a fuck up!

DirecTV fucked up BIG time, and there will literally be millions of confused people out there. Wow, what a turn of events.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

^ Mine actually occurred on Xfinity so it’s a big clusterfuck.

Thinking back on the episode, Alpha did a good job of finding people who will make Lydia's life harder. People whose survivors are likely to be very resentful.

 

[FreezeC77]

If they wanted even bigger impact, could have had Judith's head there. Instantly leapfrog Negan and have Alpha become a bigger evil.

Could have then had an interesting Negan vengeance for Judith arc.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

^ I was thinking that but fuck would that be cold. (Don't know what's up with my potty mouth lately, I blame the DVR). I think they'd lose a lot of audience if they did that.

Speaking of DVR, the Xfinity one ends with Alpha taking Lydia from the theater and it's a natural enough ending spot it's real easy to think it just missed the credits. There might be a number of people that don't even realize what happened.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

But I am glad it is Henry and not Ezekiel...and love live QUEEN Carol.

Broken queen. How many kids can she lose before she cracks?

Question: has Carl's role in the comics been split between Henry and Judith?

In part. In the comics, Carl had a relationship with Lydia that lasted for some time, but the TV showrunners have only used a part / flipped the players and their involvement in the plot now that Henry is dead.

Also...is there anyone left to lead Hilltop? The previews said the Kingdom had fallen...bit if no one is left leading at Hilltop? Did reinforcements arrive??

I'm not sure there are any reinforcements, unless they use the radios to contact Georgie's Commonwealth, or the group Jadis answered to.

^ Mine actually occurred on Xfinity so it’s a big clusterfuck.

Thinking back on the episode, Alpha did a good job of finding people who will make Lydia's life harder. People whose survivors are likely to be very resentful.

From a story perspective, yes-. Henry, Tara and Enid's deaths--whether Alpha knew it or not--have placed Lydia's life in danger, along with sparking the war, and despite spying on the communities, she has no idea what kind of fighters they are beyond minor one-on-one skirmishes.

Its odd that the Whisperers seemed to have been nowhere near this region to witness at least part of the war with the Saviors, or find themselves under attack by that group.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Like others, my DVR cut the episode off at the one hour mark. Fortunately I caught the followup episode.

Man, what a nut punch.

As much as I loathed Henry, having Carol lose another child was just gut-wrenching. I hope she doesn't lose King Ezekiel or Daryl before this is over. I could see her going out in a blaze of vengeance, but I hope not. She deserves whatever semblance of happiness is possible in this world after all the losses she has suffered.

Then to lose Tara and Enid was tough too. I liked both of them and they were important to the survivors. Grace Under Fire and the two former Savior people were less of a loss, even though they had redeemed themselves. I thought for sure the ex-con woman with all the knives was going to be on one of the pikes given all the set-up of her relationship and the fact that her girlfriend was in Daryl's group.

Didn't care about the Highwayman guy. I don't even know his name. I've just been calling him Fat Masterson or The Sundance Film Festival Kid or Buffalo Wings Cody depending on the episode. I assume the guy next to him was one of his men too?

Damn, I assume that massive herd is going to eventually be unleashed on Hilltop or Alexandria. I hope it doesn't make them have to abandon their communities and head back out on the road again.

 

[Trekker4747]

Well, the Facebook feed spoiled me this morning. Right at the top from popular culture website, an article about last night's deaths on TWD with a picture of Enid. Oh well. Watch it this evening, hopefully my DVR didn't duck up or U guess I'll watch the rest On Demand, unless it was caught by recording of Talking Dead in which case THAT will be cut off, but less a big deal.

 

[The Wormhole]

Wow, all this talk of DVR screw-ups, I guess I'm lucky. I DVR'd it last night, watched it when I woke up this morning and got the whole thing.

Now then, remember last week when I implied I was expecting something big in the finale based on the comics? It was the heads mounted on pikes moment that was in fact in this week's episode I was referring to.

I've had a feeling for awhile now that Tara would be among them when this scene happened. Mostly because in the second half of this season they've had her assume leadership of Hilltop, but they've also seemingly been grooming Daryl to someday take over Hilltop's leadership, which I believe I commented on earlier in this thread. So I was right on that score.

Enid and Henry are genuine surprises to me. Granted, the writing was kind of on the wall with Enid given she's become a doctor and this show always kills its doctors (which I guess paints a target on Siddiq now). Though ever since they began developing a relationship between Enid and Alden I pretty much believed Alden's days were numbered. So I was wrong there. Henry I wasn't expecting at all. I knew something was going on with the scenes between him Ezekiel and Carol, it just felt like a "family's last moment of happiness" sort of thing, but I figured Ezekiel would go, especially since he was one of the victims in this storyline in the comics.

Likewise, Rosita was also killed and mounted on a pike in the comics, and her scene with Eugene genuinely felt like a good-bye between the two, so they inverted my expectations there too.

As for the others, the Highwaymen are too new for me to give a damn about them. I actually had trouble recognizing Negen's wife so seeing her there didn't mean anything to me until it was pointed out on Talking Dead. DJ the former Savior turned heroic Alexandrian was someone I recognized but otherwise made no impact. Tammy Rose wasn't so surprising, I had been expecting either her or her husband Earl to be killed off at some point ever since they started looking after the Whisperer baby. The two Hilltop teenagers, the girl was barely a presence for me, and the boy was a douchebag anyway, so good riddance to him.

It is interesting they did this story in the penultimate episode as opposed to the finale itself. Kind of makes me wonder how they'll top it finishing the season off.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

It's too bad they spent thousands of bullets on Negan and Sanctuary, they only need like two clips to take care of the Whisperers.

Also, who the hell would go tracking in Whisperer territory at night with a flashlight? It's like just asking to get trapped.

 

[Scout101]

^ I was thinking that but fuck would that be cold. (Don't know what's up with my potty mouth lately, I blame the DVR). I think they'd lose a lot of audience if they did that.

Speaking of DVR, the Xfinity one ends with Alpha taking Lydia from the theater and it's a natural enough ending spot it's real easy to think it just missed the credits. There might be a number of people that don't even realize what happened.

Holy crap, didn't realize that this had happened to me until just now. It cut out with Alpha in the theater, which like everyone said, was a natural point to stop. thought all i missed was the preview. Ugh...

 

[Admiral2]

Henry: So that's it--everyone is going to root for Carol to deliver some awful form of revenge against Alpha, but I would also expect her to go into shock..wanting to just back away again, now that she's lost four children. No one can just "badass" themselves out of that.

Well I do feel sorry for Carol, and I'm perfectly willing to wait for her to go through a proper mourning period before she roasts Alpha alive.

By the way, am I the only one who actually sat in front of the TV and watched it last night?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

By the way, am I the only one who actually sat in front of the TV and watched it last night?

No--I watched it first run too.

 

[Admiral2]

No--I watched it first run too.

Okay, just checking.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

By the way, am I the only one who actually sat in front of the TV and watched it last night?

I did too, just not at 9PM. I timeshift 95+% of my viewing, why sit through commercials?

 

[Scout101]

yeah, that annoys me even more, because I DID watch it last night, it was just on like a 15 minute delay through the DVR. So i could have watched the whole thing if I knew it extended past where it cut off...

 

[Galileo7]

It's too bad they spent thousands of bullets on Negan and Sanctuary, they only need like two clips to take care of the Whisperers.

I watched it too. Absolutely agree, without the bullets to just kill the Whisperers in one episode this is getting ridiculous.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJkR1VEXgAQIypa.jpg

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I watched it too. Absolutely agree, without the bullets to just kill the Whisperers in one episode this is getting ridiculous.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJkR1VEXgAQIypa.jpg

I do wonder why Eugene did not continue bullet production after the Saviors were defeated. The need for bullets would never go away, so he should have collected those fields and buildings littered with shell casings...

Kind of makes me wonder how the Whisperer war will be waged, since both sides are generally armed with melee weapons. Unless the heroes recruit a new army, they dont have a prayer against Alpha's numbers.

 

[kitik]

Wow, pretty intense episode.

Not at all surprised about Henry, but definitely surprised about Tara and Enid. Although not surprising when you realize that they weren't exactly in the middle of a storyline right now, like Rosita and some others are. Enid definitely hurt the most, was totally hoping she'd make it to the end.

Who the hell is left at Hilltop?

I got the impression that there was a decent time jump at the very end, with Lydia and Daryl out by the pikes. Looked colder. So i just assumed it was months later. Seasons changed. Which leads me to believe that Daryl took Alpha's advice and decided to steer clear of the Whisperers. And obviously told Michonne about that giant herd and they all decided that they had better steer clear of Alpha and her group.

That said, Rick Grimes would totally have a gameplan up and running to deal with Alpha by tomorrow morning. Some sort of large bomb (or fire or explosive or whatever) to take out a lot of those walkers, and a lot of barbwire or fencing or something to separate the Whisperers from their guardians.

And surely I can't be the only one who finds the size of Alpha's group completely unbelievable, both the number of humans and the number of walkers. Their methods don't seem suitable for feeding a thousand people. Not to mention that at the numbers we've seen, they'd have to devote hundreds of people per day just to shepherding their walkers. And you're certainly not going to convince 1000 people to keep living like that, not after they've seen Hilltop and the Kingdom. And lets not even talk about winter.

Actually, I just realized, maybe we should talk about winter. The Whisperers should all be starving by January or February, so if Michonne and Co want to attack them, that'd be the prime time. Judith could probably beat up Alpha and Beta all by herself at that point.