Spoilers The Flash - Season 5

[tomalak301]

Had to double take the title of the thread to make sure I was in the right one.

Anyway, I enjoyed the episode last night but I don’t understand why Caitlin and Cisco had an issue with Barry saving Cisco’s life. He would much rather die because they didn’t ask a meta if they wanted the cure? Also, wasn’t the whole point of Cisco wanting to make the cure was because he didn’t want to be a meta anymore and wanted a normal life? Why didn’t he volunteer?

Other than that it was a fun fan service episode. The fight between Grodd and King Shark was very deserving of the hype.

Also seeing Lyla there as Director being all casual was a little weird considering Arrows development this week.

 

[Finn]

I liked Lyla's snarky comment about Barry having a daughter...

 

[Christopher]

Anyway, I enjoyed the episode last night but I don’t understand why Caitlin and Cisco had an issue with Barry saving Cisco’s life.

It's not that he saved Cisco's life, it's how he did it. He's the Flash. He has incredible powers. There were plenty of ways he could've saved Cisco without violating King Shark's human rights by forcing an experimental medical treatment on him without his consent. He could've phased Cisco out of KS's grip, or hit KS with a lightning bolt, or any number of other things.

Also, wasn’t the whole point of Cisco wanting to make the cure was because he didn’t want to be a meta anymore and wanted a normal life? Why didn’t he volunteer?

That's a good question, come to think of it.

Also seeing Lyla there as Director being all casual was a little weird considering Arrows development this week.

Not really.

Spoiler: Arrow

Remember, Diggle ended up taking the fall and resigning so that Lyla wouldn't have to.

 

[Finn]

It's more than that. ARGUS is full of folks-under her supervision, who are part of that conspiracy... that's why Lyla's casualness in her Flash cameo came off a bit unnerving. Surely the tech they are using on King Shark could be useful to the conspiracy...

 

[tomalak301]

I




Not really.

Spoiler: Arrow

Remember, Diggle ended up taking the fall and resigning so that Lyla wouldn't have to.

Spoiler: Arrow Episode

Did Diggle actually resign or was he going to. I thought the whole hearing for Lyla was going to be part of an arc that starts up next episode.

 

[Christopher]

Surely the tech they are using on King Shark could be useful to the conspiracy...

Umm... I don't think they'd have much luck convincing Dante to put on a telepathic crown that would let them read his mind.

 

[Finn]

I'm talking about Dante and the folks he's in cahoots with using the tech for his/their benefit....


Think....

 

[Christopher]

I'm talking about Dante and the folks he's in cahoots with using the tech for his/their benefit....

But ARGUS has known about the tech for some time already -- they're the ones supporting Dr. Lamden's research, after all. So I don't see why Lyla coming over to visit (what are presumably) the Central City ARGUS facilities would have any effect on what people inside ARGUS knew about the technology.

 

[Finn]

Did you watch the recent Arrow episode? That agent made it clear there were a whole bunch of folks within ARGUS who were into the conspiracy under Lyla's nose?

 

[Christopher]

Did you watch the recent Arrow episode? That agent made it clear there were a whole bunch of folks within ARGUS who were into the conspiracy under Lyla's nose?

You're not listening to me. Yes, there are conspirators in ARGUS, but Dr. Lamden has been working on the telepathic crown for months, so surely they already knew about it before this episode. So there's no reason it should have any bearing on the events of this episode. Either they're not interested in the tech, or the damage is already done. Either way, it doesn't matter to this story.

 

[Finn]

Are you kidding?

 

[JD]

Hey guys, would you please stop discussing spoilers from other shows in this thread or at least spoiler code them? Flash and Legends of Tomorrow are the only Arrowverse shows I'm up to date on, and I'm really trying to avoid spoilers. This is a thread just for The Flash, not the whole Arrowverse.
As for last night's Flash, that was a blast.
The Grodd vs King Shark fight was awesome.
Really enjoyed King Shark/Elias's story arc, I did not expect that kind of a story focused on him.
Caitlin and Cisco were right to be mad at Barry, they had already agreed not to give any metas the cure without their permission, and he did go against that. I was glad that he did actually admit he was wrong and apologize.
It was nice to see Joe again finally, after hearing about what happened I was not at all surprised that he seemed to spend most of his scenes sitting down.

 

[Kirk Prime]

IRL, the US Government was keeping kids in cages.

An Obama policy that wouldn't exist if their parents weren't criminals.

Anyway, I enjoyed the episode last night but I don’t understand why Caitlin and Cisco had an issue with Barry saving Cisco’s life. He would much rather die because they didn’t ask a meta if they wanted the cure? Also, wasn’t the whole point of Cisco wanting to make the cure was because he didn’t want to be a meta anymore and wanted a normal life? Why didn’t he volunteer?

I don't think they had an issue with Barry saving Cisco. I think they had an issue with him immediately and unilaterally making that decision without even attempting another method to help Cisco. If Barry didn't have the cure in his hand, was there a 100 percent chance he wouldn't have had the speed to do something else?

And your second point--I thought the same thing. Why didn't Cisco volunteer?

I liked Lyla's snarky comment about Barry having a daughter...

That is such an interesting situation. I don't know how I would feel in that situation. Barry essentially killed their daughter, replaced her with a son, and they have no memory of the daughter. They experienced a horrifying loss, but they have no idea she even existed. In a way, Barry did worse than kill their daughter. He made it so she was never born. But at the same time, if Barry hadn't done that, they would not have their son.

It's a very crazy scenario.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Hey guys, would you please stop discussing spoilers from other shows in this thread or at least spoiler code them?

I believe I owe you an apology. I am sorry about that.

 

[tomalak301]

Hey guys, would you please stop discussing spoilers from other shows in this thread or at least spoiler code them? Flash and Legends of Tomorrow are the only Arrowverse shows I'm up to date on, and I'm really trying to avoid spoilers. This is a thread just for The Flash, not the whole Arrowverse.

That's mainly the reason I said I had to check to make sure I was in the same thread. For some reason there was a lot of Supergirl talk and I missed how we went from Flash to Supergirl, while missing the connection between the two. I apologize if I spoiled the Lyla thing for you, but Arrow and Flash happened so close to each other and I thought these shows were synced for the most part.

 

[JD]

Yeah, I'm just two episodes behind on Arrow and one or two behind on Supergirl.

 

[Snaploud]

Nora is young and inexperienced. I don't know how old she is on the show, but she comes off as someone in their late teens. Very green.

Well, Nora refers to herself as a forensic scientist and a CCU graduate, so I don't think she's quite that young (though, it's possible she was a child prodigy). She's certainly inexperienced in the hero stuff, though.

Edit: the actress is apparently 34, though that doesn't necessarily tell us anything about the character's age.

 

[Photoman15]

Okay, so Barry and Nora super speed together to knock out Grood. Then casually walk over to him to try to remove the telepathic crown.

 

[Snaploud]

Okay, so Barry and Nora super speed together to knock out Grood. Then casually walk over to him to try to remove the telepathic crown.

Yeah, that stuff just keeps happening on this show. Also, why do they alway slow down to a full stop whenever they confront a villain? With Flashtime, they really should be able to disable and capture most villains with ease.

I still enjoy the show, but it doesn't make much sense.

 

[Finn]

I don't think Barry has truly mastered flashtime yet.