THE ORVILLE S2, E8: "IDENTITY, PART I"
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I agree with you on every point and let me throw in a couple more...
6) Strategically, the Kaylon's plan doesn't make sense, unless I missed or forgot something. The Kaylons, as far as I know, inhabit one (or maybe a few) planets in their system. Their intent is to attack Earth, a member of a interstellar union of more than 300 species with billions, potentially trillions, of people and thousands of planets from which to draw resources from. Now the Kaylons are technologically superior to Earth (or any member of the Union for that matter) and can probably overwhelm Earth defenses, but the entire Union? I'm thinking it would eventually become a war of attrition in which the Kaylons would get their metal asses handed to them.
7) Why keep hostages? Kaylons regard any and all biological life as a threat, as they did their creators, so why keep the Orville crew alive? I guess I can see keeping the senior leadership around in an effort to get around a random patrol ship that might otherwise tip off Union command if a shooting match started, but for 90% of the crew... They're really not needed as far as the Kaylons are concerned.
Despite my picking knits, I really enjoyed this episode. As I've stated in another thread, season 2 is kicking butt.
Bortus has been, slightly, pushed back to this comedic awkwardness level; but it's great.
Yeah I enjoy it, but I do not understand the people saying it's amazing and taking Sci-Fi and a bold new direction...............it's popcorn entertainment at best.
Walk, if it's just that it's one up on STD, anyway.
I seriously can't talk to Trek fans any more who insist that they're watching something sophisticated, forward thinking or deeply meaningful and moving. I get that fans like what fans like, but pretending that Star Trek is other than a familiar and comfortable old shoe is just about the definition of watching through a nostalgic haze.
I seriously can't talk to Trek fans any more who insist that they're watching something sophisticated, forward thinking or deeply meaningful and moving. I get that fans like what fans like, but pretending that Star Trek is other than a familiar and comfortable old shoe is just about the definition of watching through a nostalgic haze.
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Agreed. It was good, but I wouldn't say ground breaking or stellar and, really a "twist" I saw coming back in S1. As far as "Earth is in danger from a cybernetic threat" cliffhangers go, BOBW wins hands down.
I really liked the episode and series, but this didn't floor me like it seems to have some people.
Walk, if it's just that it's one up on STD, anyway.
[Sarcasm]That's hard to do.[/sarcasm]
Next episode prediction: not Isaac, but Teleya saves the day. Krill fleet arrives to save the Earth.
One of the things that impressed me was the cinematography. For a show like the Orville that is usually pretty low key, this episode went pretty big. The shot of the sprawling Kaylon city piercing through the clouds was impressive and the sweeping shot of the massive fleet of Kaylon ships with Orville leading the way, was a beautiful sight.
Visuals like that were good.
Had a Star Wars prequel feel to me..............like Couresant.
Are you trying to get back in the writers room? I've never seen you drool over something so much.Walk, if it's just that it's one up on STD, anyway.
Teleya saves the day? Wouldn't that be something.
Discovery seems to be unlucky. Even when they put out a real good one, Orville still finds a way to eclipse it. This week's Discovery was amazing, and I already forgot what it was about because of the damn Orville. I'm kind of pissed at the writing team, I was mostly looking at Orville to chill, and they give me ENT: The Expanse / ENT: Twilight pre-credits, remixed with bits of The Empire Strikes Back and The Matrix.
I have certainly not chilled through an Orville episode this season, except maybe for Borthus committing public urination without a citation.I have no idea either, but I independently thought of it too: Mercer is optimistic about improving relationships with the Krill, if there isn't even a tiny bit of improvement his efforts would feel too wasteful, and Kaylons wishing to wipe out all organic life forms seems like a good time to team up with your enemies (you're already teaming up with the Moclans anyway).
In a year and a half this show has done two shows that I felt were subpar - "Cupid's Dagger" and "All The World's A Birthday Cake..." and in the former case, I'll chalk it up to a matter of personal taste.* "About A Girl" struck me as an awkward misfire and misjudgment when it first ran, but looks better with time and with the show's revisiting of the many issues that Moclans seem to have.
*The latter was just plain bad.
In what way is Discovery unlucky? It's a huge success, it revived Star Trek as a tv franchise with several new shows in development.
So you liked this week's Orville better ... ok but so what? The shows are not competing against each other.
No, I liked every week's Orville better.
When watching it was an mostly afterthought, and an accident.
And I prepared for Discovery, even avoiding the forum and leaving work early.
Wow. That was pretty good. I don't watch this show every week, but I was impressed with this episode. I prefer when Orville divergences from its Trek inspiration, explores its own uniqueness, and this look at Isaac's homeworld and the twist with him were both cool to see. I suspect that Isaac will have a change of heart and help save the Orville crew and thwart the invasion, but still, I like that this show went in a different direction. It's like I've been thinking of Isaac as the Data-like character all this time, and he has a bit of Lore in him.
The production values for this episode seemed pretty high. In general, I've found the Orville episodes to generally look well-made, but it feels they put in extra money here.
About the only quibble I have is the invasion going to Earth. It is in keeping with Trek, but after Mercer had touted the Union's hundreds of peoples working together earlier I would've been fine with a more vague "in Union space" being in danger than just Earth.
The production values for this episode seemed pretty high. In general, I've found the Orville episodes to generally look well-made, but it feels they put in extra money here.
About the only quibble I have is the invasion going to Earth. It is in keeping with Trek, but after Mercer had touted the Union's hundreds of peoples working together earlier I would've been fine with a more vague "in Union space" being in danger than just Earth.
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