THE ORVILLE S2, E7: "DEFLECTORS"

[The Wormhole]

Because she didn't feel there was a need to, yet?

I don't care what their intentions are, if someone breaks into your home there's a need to kick their ass. If for no other reason then to teach them why they shouldn't be breaking into other's homes. Ditto if someone arranges to have someone else break into your home.

And if you're the XO of a military ship, and someone breaks into your quarters or arranges to have someone else break into your quarters, there's a need to have them punished. Both to make sure they don't break into anyone else's quarters and to make sure others on the ship don't get the idea it's okay to break into your quarters.

To say nothing of the potential security ramifications. The XO's quarters are presumably locked when they aren't in them. If someone can hack the lock of the XO's quarters, they'd theoretically have access to any sensitive information concerning the ship and/or the Union kept within. To say nothing of the fact they likely have the skill necessary to break into anyone else's quarters, including the Captain's or any other secure location on the ship.

 

[Nakita Akita]

Okay, fine. We'll play it your way. Kelly's a tough woman who doesn't need a man to protect her. A statement which is true on its own, but anyway. So her ex is being creepy sending hundreds of text messages and arranging to have a friend break into her quarters. Why doesn't she exercise her authority as XO of the ship and penalize Cassius for violating regulations which even civilian contractors like himself are required to follow? Or assuming that isn't tough enough by your standards, why does she not beat the shit out of the flower when she finds it in her quarters, and then proceed to beat the shit out of Cassius for not having any decency?

Or are you still going to claim this post is somehow sexist?

Because she wears big girl panties and just looks at it like it really is.

The guy was upset.
Getting a lot of texts isn't really a big deal.
The Flower Guy was just going to bat for his friend, he was going to kill Kelly.

It was all just rather a nuisance.
Everyone now acts like everything is sexual Harrassment or somehow a major issue when it isn't.

 

[DonIago]

I don't care what their intentions are, if someone breaks into your home there's a need to kick their ass. If for no other reason then to teach them why they shouldn't be breaking into other's homes. Ditto if someone arranges to have someone else break into your home. Worf killed Duras while serving in Starfleet and received a slap on the wrist. Jadzia broke into Odo's quarters on multiple occasions.

We might be able to entertain ourselves for quite some time coming up with every minor infraction our heroes committed which didn't appear to garner consequences.

And if you're the XO of a military ship, and someone breaks into your quarters or arranges to have someone else break into your quarters, there's a need to have them punished. Both to make sure they don't break into anyone else's quarters and to make sure others on the ship don't get the idea it's okay to break into your quarters.

To say nothing of the potential security ramifications. The XO's quarters are presumably locked when they aren't in them. If someone can hack the lock of the XO's quarters, they'd theoretically have access to any sensitive information concerning the ship and/or the Union kept within. To say nothing of the fact they likely have the skill necessary to break into anyone else's quarters, including the Captain's or any other secure location on the ship.

Do you think Kirk's or Picard's or Janeway's or Sisko's crews really involved themselves in every personal dispute in which someone did something on this relatively-minor scale, especially if/when the victim didn't see a need to make an issue of it? I don't recall Spock being disciplined for his hijinks in "Amok Time" or "The Menagerie", which impacted the entire ship.

It seems more than a little hyperbolic to equate breaking into a cabin with breaking into the ship's classified computer records.

Are you mad at Cassius for doing it, or at Kelly for blowing it off as not a big deal, as she apparently did? Because when you allege that there's a need to punish someone you seem to be accusing Kelly of dereliction of duty.

Also, given the other shenanigans we've seen this crew engage in, is this really so much worse by comparison?

 

[Awesome Possum]

Then again, how inclusive is it to reject everyone whose values don't match your own?

When those values are harmful. In this case putting a person on trial on falling in love with another adult who returned those affections. Or forcing life altering surgeries on an infant against the will of a parent without any thought as to how the child would choose to live. It’s forcing an idea of what’s normal for a society onto individuals who don’t fit that definition of normal in order to enforce that “normality”. Something once extremely common on this planet, still is in many places and there are plenty who would like to drag the ones who don’t back into the past.

Those values have no place in a free society.

 

[Guy Gardener]

This is what I think happened on Moclus 2 thousand years ago.

They were like ants.

A few dozen female queens and millions or billions of infertile male drones.

I see two possibilities to missing-link from there to here.

1. Through war or mishap all the queens die. The Drones have one generation to find a way to lay eggs themselves before their species dies out.

2. The fudal queens are a bunch of ####ing dicks. It may have taken a while, but the drones figure out a way to breed without the queens, and create their own society without them, kinda like the jaffa without the Goa'uld.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Kelly is the First Officer. She is the police. And she's mature enough to know that violence and indictment are not the solutions to every problem.

A few dozen female queens and millions or billions of infertile male drones.

Now we're getting somewhere interesting.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Kelly is the First Officer. She is the police. And she's mature enough to know that violence and indictment are not the solutions to every problem.

Now we're getting somewhere interesting.

I think in the overall dynamic, Talla is the police and she was right there with Kelly.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Ed is the Mayor.

Kelly is his Chief of Staff.

Talla is the Police Commissioner.

 

[The Wormhole]

Getting a lot of texts isn't really a big deal.

I can assure you from experience the police and the courts have a much different opinion on that.

I don't recall Spock being disciplined for his hijinks in "Amok Time" or "The Menagerie", which impacted the entire ship.

Spock was court-martialed for what he did in The Menagerie and faced capital punishment. The charges were dismissed, but if a court-martial and the possibility of execution doesn't count as being disciplined, what the hell does?

As for Amok Time, an argument can be made due to circumstances he wasn't responsible for his actions.

Are you mad at Cassius for doing it, or at Kelly for blowing it off as not a big deal, as she apparently did?

Cassius is a dick doing what he did, while I'm more confused in regards to why Kelly even allowed it to go on.

Also, given the other shenanigans we've seen this crew engage in, is this really so much worse by comparison?

Yes, it is.

 

[Mudd]

Star Trek has a rule whereby no protagonist will ever suffer any permanent career damage and certainly no legal consequences for any violation of regulation or law, no matter how egregious.

This is an apparent trade-off for them saving Earth every couple of years.

 

[Mudd]

Trekmovie review:

In a way, The Orville presents a more nuanced view of cultural differences than the straightforward toleration espoused in Star Trek: The Next Generation. That toleration is on display in “The Orville” at times, but there is also a deeper confusion, disgust, and anger that surfaces frequently. While progressivism in the 1990s was about accepting differences, in the “woke” 2010s, a progressive viewpoint embraces judgment, shaming, and cultural ruin for those who believe differently than the standard progressive view. In Lt. Keyali, writer Goodman presents a sincerely-felt, love-driven judgmental fury. In Mercer, we see someone trying to live out the 1990’s progressive approach in a more complicated world. And fascinatingly in Bortus, we have a person who grew up in a deeply-entrenched cultural framework who now has to question, over and over, whether or not he still believes it is just.

What's appealing about The Orville is that the various characters keep running up against these issues in different forms, and no permanent solution is offered that all of the protagonists finally embrace.

 

[LJones41]

The Moclans are our Klingons (allies) to the Krill as Romulans (enemies).

Humans don't really need Klingons or Moclans. As a species, we're barbaric enough, despite Roddenberry's fantasies. In fact, the Trek franchise has managed to convey that Humans have still managed to retain a good deal of our aggressiveness. It's only a matter of time before "The Orville" does the same.

 

[Mudd]

 

[eschaton]

As an aside, was Dr. Finn even in last week's episode?

 

[Mudd]

Claire Finn was in the conference room scene - had at least one line.

 

[eschaton]

Doctor Page?

Claire Finn was in the conference room scene - had at least one line.

Duh...edited post. Brain fart.

I completely forgot that she was in this episode. At least the other non-critical characters like Isaac, LaMarr, and Malloy got to snark a bit.

 

[DonIago]

I forgot she was in the episode too. No great loss, as I think the episode does just fine as-is, and we just had a Claire-centric episode.

 

[matthunter]

Spock was court-martialed for what he did in The Menagerie and faced capital punishment. The charges were dismissed,

He wasn't court-martialed because the Commodore convening the court was a mental projection of the Talosians to buy Pike time to get to Talos IV, not an actual Starfleet officer.

 

[Noname Given]

This is what I think happened on Moclus 2 thousand years ago.

The division of gender was similar to human, half and half.

Environmental issues sterilized the women.

Genetic modification allowed men to lay eggs, without help from women. But do the men mix genetic material with other men to lay eggs?

In the beginning, Men and women are still predisposed to fall in love and live together till they die without producing children, wasting resources that could otherwise be put into a fertile pair of men making eggs, which would be fine, if it wasn't %75 of the population who are being difficult about turning gay for the greater good.

Moral/legal guidelines, on pain of death, have to be invented, to stop fertile men from wasting their time, and endangering population levels, living happily ever after with barren women.

Men are further genetically modified, so that no (very few) women are then born at all into each generation for a backwards thinking sperm wasting Man to be criminally immoral with.

Then FTL is invented.

Space is full of fertile women who may be genetically compatible with Moclans.

If it's a question of racial purity, can a Moclan boy and a non Moclan boy make an egg together? They have to fuck outside their species to fuck outside their gender, but there is still a lot of alien dick waiting out there in space to sit on, which may or may not be outside the rules.

We saw Bortus' porn.

No aliens?

All Moclan?

^^^^
me, it's simpler just to think "Augment Virus"

 

[imdbrefugee]

Went back and rewatched the first season. So much better than this current season. The stories were better. There was much more action. Funnier jokes. Better everything. There was only one meh episode (dr Finn and her bratty kids was ok, but I can’t stand listening to whiny shits). I have no idea wtf this season is, but I know it sucks.