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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x03 - "Point of Light"

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Klingons affected with the Augment Virus are the only representatives of the Empire that the Federation encounters and interacts with for a period of at least five years.

That is an inescapable and narratively significant fact regardless of how people feel about what ENT did in trying to reconcile the TOS Klingon look with what we saw in "later" Trek, and since the DSC team very much cares about narrative Canon and adhering to the consistency thereof as much as is possible given the actual sporacity of said consistency, it is something that I believe will inevitably be addressed at some point.
 
I already explained how and why the Augment Virus situation is narratively significant to the franchise as a whole; it defines Federation and Klingon relations and interactions for at least 5 years before finally being cured.
And I say it does define jack shit in terms of significance in Star Trek. It's an unnecessarily complicated explanation that wasn't needed in the first place. It tries to explain something that didn't need explaining and it has no consequence whatsoever on anything Trek does afterward, timeline-wise.

The DSC team has continually and repeatedly said that they will make any perceived inconsistencies between DSC and "later" Trek series make sense narratively, and, as of right now, the Augment Virus situation falls into that category.
This however might turn out the way you want it: I have no confidence in those writers to not at some point incorporate this convoluted Augment thing.
 
The entire Klingon look thing is a mess. IMO, the Augment Klingon story was unnecessary. It (and admittedly Discovery's look of the Klingons) causes more of a mess than its worth. Best to just accept that they all look however the hell you want them to look in your mind's eye.
 
You know, an entirely plausible way that DIS could solve the "Augment conundrum" is to have augments exist, but not actually be human-passing (maybe look like DIS Klingons with smooth heads). And they could also decide that known TOS Klingons like Kor, Kang, and Koloth were actually never augments at all - that really was just a difference in depiction - and that "true augments" are a tiny minority which was never seen in TOS.
 
You know, an entirely plausible way that DIS could solve the "Augment conundrum" is to have augments exist, but not actually be human-passing (maybe look like DIS Klingons with smooth heads). And they could also decide that known TOS Klingons like Kor, Kang, and Koloth were actually never augments at all - that really was just a difference in depiction - and that "true augments" are a tiny minority which was never seen in TOS.

That seems complicated. Granted, the whole thing is more complicated than it needs to be anyway. The whole "We do not discuss it with outsiders" was more than sufficient. It acknowledges, made light of it and just moved on. Now, we've got like 75 different kinds of Klingons and a convoluted mess. Why do we need to muck it up even more?
 
Klingons affected with the Augment Virus are the only representatives of the Empire that the Federation encounters and interacts with for a period of at least five years.

Umm, how so?

In the DS9/TOS crossover story, the DS9 heroes were unfamiliar with the smooth-forehead sort of Klingon. There was no story where the TOS heroes would have been unfamiliar with the wrinkled-forehead sort of Klingon, though.

...Or the elongated-skull sort. Or indeed the idea that Klingons come in different sorts.

Now that is the issue to be addressed. Klingons being different is an established Trek in-universe fact. There's little to explain there: being different is easy and natural, or then easy and unnatural, take your pick. But what about those of our heroes who demonstrate unfamiliarity with the fact that Klingons are different? To wit, O'Brien and Bashir in "Trials and Tribble-ations"? Even if they had never seen this particular variant of Klingon, they should be familiar with the existence of variants, and ought to take these in the stride, along with eight-legged Klingons and Klingons without eyes.

O'Brien and Bashir are our only offenders here, though. Kirk never suggested he wouldn't have met a Klingon designed by H.R.Giger.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I'm starting to get the feeling that this Augment discussion is reaching a dead end, so let's all just amicably agree to disagree and move on. :)
 
That seems complicated. Granted, the whole thing is more complicated than it needs to be anyway. The whole "We do not discuss it with outsiders" was more than sufficient. It acknowledges, made light of it and just moved on. Now, we've got like 75 different kinds of Klingons and a convoluted mess. Why do we need to muck it up even more?
As I mentioned in the past about Worf's line in Trial and Trbblations, I took that as an acknowledgement by the writers/producers that it all has more to do with a change in the TV show production than it does any in-universe change in the physiology of Klingons. They just used the character of Worf to slightly cross that 4th wall between the writers and the viewers in a "wink-and-a-nod" sort of way.

I mean, they made the decision to use the old TOS footage for that episode, so they did need to acknowledge the elephant in the room. However, the way they dealt with that elephant was basically saying:

"Yep, there is an elephant in the room; but so what?:shrug: Just let him be. He's not causing any problems.
 
Assuming female Klingons have the same redundancy when it comes to their reproductive organs, we can not be sure if both organs are necessarily needed or just a bonus for maximized pleasurement
Deleted scene

L'Rell "It's ok.. really. It happens." Stares at the ceiling

Tyler Sighs. "Look, L'Rell, I like STP same as anyone, but can you NOT hum 'Half the Man' when we're going at it!?"

L'Rell "It's called 'Creep' and you're really too sensitive. Respect the classics. Remain Klingon!"
 
Assuming female Klingons have the same redundancy when it comes to their reproductive organs, we can not be sure if both organs are necessarily needed or just a bonus for maximized pleasurement

Great, now I'm having a vivid mental image of Season 1-2 Worf having the same discussion with Troi on the topic of sex that Vir had with Ivanova on Babylon 5.

"There have been other women but I've never got past one."
"You mean first base."
"No, no, I mean one. We have two..." - and then Data would helpfully add the whole rest about how "each one is a different level of intimacy and pleasure", with Troi looking more horrified with each passing second and Worf being thoroughly embarrassed by the whole thing.

Thank the Great Maker that Worf would be too stoic to actually include Vir's whole vocal demonstration of those different levels though.
 
The DSC team has continually and repeatedly said that they will make any perceived inconsistencies between DSC and "later" Trek series make sense narratively, and, as of right now, the Augment Virus situation falls into that category.
And yet, they’ve not acknowledged or referenced it in any way.
 
There was NOTHING WRONG with "Terra Prime". That said, no, I thought the TNG episode they filmed 11 years after the cancellation of TNG (aka "This Ain't The Valentine"...err I mean "These Are The Voyages") sucked. ;)
That's weird, I only remember that each time an Enterprise rerun ended on Hungarian TV, an hour of static was broadcast with commercial breaks in the same timeslot the very next day. Every single time. I've never understood that.
 
Ummmnn...
Valentine's Day is just around the corner too.
Might be the perfect time to introduce Riker & Troi into the DISCOVERY time period as well.
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In another thread, I said "Point of Light" would go down as a "love it or hate it" type of episode. Looks like Jammer came down the middle-ish. This is my first time commenting on Jammer's Reviews on TrekBBS, even though I've both been posting here and reading his reviews since the '90s.

One thing I agree with is that the different storylines all moved at varying paces. I personally like this because that means not everything is moving at the same tempo. When I'm listening to a song, I don't want it to be to be all one note or one rhythm, sometimes it applies to episodes too, like here.

He also brings up how much ground is covered is the Klingon storyline. Quoting a paragraph from his review:

On the other end of the spectrum we have the Tyler/L'Rell/Klingon storyline, which tries to cram several episodes of plot into a fraction of a single show. We have (1) Voq/Tyler's split identity being used against him politically; (2) the revelation of Voq's and L'Rell's baby, which is revealed to Voq/Tyler for the first time here; (3) an attempted coup d'etat against L'Rell perpetrated by one of her many enemies in this fragile new unified Klingon Empire, leading to a big stabby bat'leth fight; (4) L'Rell attempting to put down a larger insurrection by pretending to have killed the political liability that is Tyler and their son, as she casts their (fake) severed heads into a chasm. All this is partially orchestrated within this story's third major plotline spun out from item (5) in this this plotline — Emperor Georgiou's mission as a newly minted agent of Section 31 (acting as her allegedly-somehow-survived Prime Universe doppelganger, though I fail to see how that works or why it's necessary) to make sure L'Rell stays in power so the Klingons don't resume hostilities against the Federation.

There's a lot of ground to cover because we haven't been following the Klingons during the previous two episodes, so we have to be brought up to speed. The situation with Tyler is something where it wouldn't make sense that he's accepted. And, as I've said before, L'Rell rising to power wasn't the end of anything. This episode is proof that the Klingons would not all automatically fall into line. And she had to do something drastic.

The baby's not a surprise. With L'Rell and Voq coupling, something had to come out of that. And a baby is a weakness, like Kol-sha's kidnapping him showed.

Some circumstances are conductive to events happening fast. Others aren't. Burnham being removed from the thick of what's going on with Spock means she's at the mercy of what Pike tells her, what others are at liberty to say, and what she herself can do, which isn't much because she's on Discovery and not on speaking terms with Spock. So you can't get a lot of movement in that type of situation. It's also exactly the reason why Amanda has to be the one to do something. But there's really nothing else Burnham can do at this point. She's at a stand-still.

With the Klingon situation, there's no way that can stand still. That's constant movement. Things happen fast and you have to act fast. Kol-sha isn't going to settle for L'Rell being in power. They probably think she doesn't have the stomach to ever use the bomb. But L'Rell showing what they think are the severed heads of Tyler and her own baby would make some of them think maybe she does have the stomach to use that bomb. Follow her or you'll die. It doesn't have to be true. They just have to think it. And by becoming a Mother to them all instead of just one child makes her Larger Than Life.
 
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