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King Daniel Beyond said:
I don't think anyone wants Michael and Spock to have that kind of relationship, we just fear these writers doing it for shock value and clicks online.
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I don't think it's that, I think it's just that a lot of viewers out there are incapable of imagining a male and female character having anything other than a sexual relationship. Or who want to project a sexual relationship onto any two characters regardless of gender or relationship, which is how we get fans who want the brothers in Supernatural to be lovers.

Plus, of course, it comes from viewers not knowing their Trek well enough to remember that "Amok Time" rules out any previous pon farrs in Spock's past.
 
So, in Desperate Hours, do Pike and Burnham have a face-to-face (or holo/screen) conversation?
 
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What amazed me about the trailer reactions was the way some people -- despite the references in the first trailer to Spock being missing somewhere and needing to be rescued -- assumed that his beard meant he had to be Mirror Spock, that there was no other possible explanation such as being stuck somewhere without access to a razor. It's like there are people out there who don't understand how hair works.
 
Christopher said:
What amazed me about the trailer reactions was the way some people -- despite the references in the first trailer to Spock being missing somewhere and needing to be rescued -- assumed that his beard meant he had to be Mirror Spock, that there was no other possible explanation such as being stuck somewhere without access to a razor. It's like there are people out there who don't understand how hair works.
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That's okay - I recall folks who, when the first TNG photos/trailers appeared, were convinced that Picard must be deltan because he was bald.
 
Greg Cox said:
I think Occam's Razor applies here.

"Hmm. Who is Michael more likely to be kissing passionately? Her lover or her brother?"

Take all the time you need . . ..:)
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Well, they’re not blood related.

And you are aware of the phenomenon of ‘sibling attraction’ I assume.

Only joking. I never assumed that it was Spock.
 
David Weller said:
Well, they’re not blood related.

And you are aware of the phenomenon of ‘sibling attraction’ I assume.

Only joking. I never assumed that it was Spock.
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To be fair, just last week I watched a thriller in which it turned out that the heroine was having a secret affair with her half-brother, who was possibly the father of her child. (It doesn't end well.)
 
Oddly enough, there are at least two superhero TV franchises in which a character who lost their parents was adopted by another character's family, grew up alongside them as a foster/adoptive sibling, and then ended up falling in love with them and marrying them. The better-known example today is Barry Allen and Iris West-Allen on The Flash, but the earlier example was Steve Austin and Jaime Sommers of The Six Million Dollar Man/The Bionic Woman, with Jaime being the one who was raised by Steve's parents as his foster sister and then ended up getting engaged to him (though the wedding was called off due to her tragic death and subsequent amnesia when she proved a popular enough character to be handwaved back to life -- but they did eventually get married in a reunion movie in the '90s). Ironically, Steve's parents were a larger recurring presence on Jaime's show than on Steve's show.
 
I'll admit, I did a double-take when I saw that kiss in the trailer, but upon double-take I became certain it was Ash Tyler Michael was kissing.
 
Christopher said:
Oddly enough, there are at least two superhero TV franchises in which a character who lost their parents was adopted by another character's family, grew up alongside them as a foster/adoptive sibling, and then ended up falling in love with them and marrying them. The better-known example today is Barry Allen and Iris West-Allen on The Flash, but the earlier example was Steve Austin and Jaime Sommers of The Six Million Dollar Man/The Bionic Woman, with Jaime being the one who was raised by Steve's parents as his foster sister and then ended up getting engaged to him (though the wedding was called off due to her tragic death and subsequent amnesia when she proved a popular enough character to be handwaved back to life -- but they did eventually get married in a reunion movie in the '90s). Ironically, Steve's parents were a larger recurring presence on Jaime's show than on Steve's show.
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I believe Barry already had a crush on Iris before he moved in with the Wests, so that at least makes it a bit better.
I never really thought about how kinda creepy that aspect of the Barry/Iris relationship is.
 
JD said:
I believe Barry already had a crush on Iris before he moved in with the Wests, so that at least makes it a bit better.
I never really thought about how kinda creepy that aspect of the Barry/Iris relationship is.
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I don't think it's creepy. The reason for the cultural taboo against incest is because of the health hazards of inbreeding between closely related individuals. If two people are only adoptive or foster siblings and have no biological relationship, then I don't see an issue.
 
Christopher said:
What amazed me about the trailer reactions was the way some people -- despite the references in the first trailer to Spock being missing somewhere and needing to be rescued -- assumed that his beard meant he had to be Mirror Spock, that there was no other possible explanation such as being stuck somewhere without access to a razor. It's like there are people out there who don't understand how hair works.
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And many fans seem to forget that Tuvok's vulcan mentor, who was shown during a flashback in Voyager, was bearded.
 
But I meant what I said about some people not seeming to understand that hairstyle is mutable, that it's not a permanent feature throughout your life. I've actually seen people online object that an actress was incapable of playing a role because she had the wrong hair color, as if they believed it was physically impossible to change someone's hair color.
 
Did anyone manage to spot any major inconsistencies between Desperate Hours and S2E1? I'm curious as to whether or not the episode manages to throw that novel out the window - especially after it seemed like the producers of the show were working a little closer to the novel writers than usual.

Also, I know it's nitpicking, but does it bother anyone else that Pike and his crew are wearing TOS uniforms instead of the much simpler and muted 'The Cage' uniforms? It's not like we never saw those uniforms aside from the pilot - they were worn in TOS and appear in countless media as a telltale indicator of a 'pre-Five Year Mission' Enterprise! Just curious if anyone has a solid explanation for that. :)
 
KBEnterprise said:
Also, I know it's nitpicking, but does it bother anyone else that Pike and his crew are wearing TOS uniforms instead of the much simpler and muted 'The Cage' uniforms? It's not like we never saw those uniforms aside from the pilot - they were worn in TOS and appear in countless media as a telltale indicator of a 'pre-Five Year Mission' Enterprise! Just curious if anyone has a solid explanation for that. :)
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“Pre-Kirk Enterprise” would probably be the more accurate term, here, because it’s mentioned in the episode that Captain Pike was right in the middle of commanding a 5-year mission of his own in 2256-57, during the Klingon war and afterwards.
 
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