Finally Watching Discovery - Was I Supoosed to Hate This?

[The Realist]

For me Enterprise went wrong right from the start with that horrible opening theme, the show itself was ok but I found the whole Xindi storyline to be poor at best, the Temporal Cold War and Romulan storylines was much better though.

Never disliked the opening theme, and I will give the show credit for one great outside-the-box idea: setting up the Vulcans as antagonists. Of course, that was something most fans hated, because it was the one thing about the show that represented an original creative thought.

 

[nightwind1]

For me it's one thing to have the f-bombs on a cop show or something like that but it is not really needed in Trek, IMO. It's just not very professional and the Starfleet crews are suppose to be consummate professionals according to GR.

I'm a former US Coast Guard Petty Officer. Most people will agree that the USCG is consummately professional. And "fuck" was pretty much our universal adjective. It wasn't "hand me that wrench", it was "hand me that fucking wrench", etc.

 

[fireproof78]

If someone is really hating some products of modern popular culture fiction, well, this someone should seek out professional help like, immediately.

Indeed. It becomes concerning to me the way the word "hate" is so casually tossed around, much in the way people telling others to just kill themselves over a disagreement. Or even the use of "raping my childhood" or "ruining something." No, I don't get that. There isn't a property for me that hasn't gone through a change that I found annoying or I lost interest in the franchise for a time because of it. Certainly not to the extend I see online...

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I'm a former US Coast Guard Petty Officer. Most people will agree that the USCG is consummately professional. And "fuck" was pretty much our universal adjective. It wasn't "hand me that wrench", it was "hand me that fucking wrench", etc.

Are you fucking serious?

 

[DaveyNY]

Indeed. It becomes concerning to me the way the word "hate" is so casually tossed around, much in the way people telling others to just kill themselves over a disagreement. Or even the use of "raping my childhood" or "ruining something." No, I don't get that. There isn't a property for me that hasn't gone through a change that I found annoying or I lost interest in the franchise for a time because of it. Certainly not to the extend I see online...

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Are you fucking serious?

... abso-fuckin'-lutly he was.
<== pottymouth

 

[Gonzo]

Never disliked the opening theme, and I will give the show credit for one great outside-the-box idea: setting up the Vulcans as antagonists. Of course, that was something most fans hated, because it was the one thing about the show that represented an original creative thought.

I was fine with the Vulcans being a part of the problem at first, plus how they were very Romulan like until Archer found the Katra of Surak, that whole plotline was solid just like the others I mentioned.

 

[Skipper]

Or even the use of "raping my childhood" or "ruining something."

^This. It's particularly idiotic because:

1. It's not like that making a sequel deletes retroactively the previous movies and your enjoyment of them.
2. There are people who have been literally raped in their childhood. They can't find any other metaphor???

 

[Mach5]

The term "childhood rape" has mostly been retired by now, for which a great deal of thanks goes to Katie Lucas who tweeted this back in 2011:

Just FYI-- putting CGI in a movie, adding a line, or making an ewok blink does not qualify as sexual abuse, and referring to it as such makes you a heartless bastard. I dare you to look a victim of sexual abuse in the eye and say that George Lucas raped your childhood.

Hate the movies, be mad about them, cry about them-but don't equate them with being sexually violated, because thats not even in the realm of what happened to you. Its not cute, its not 'new' anymore, it doesn't make you look more clever it makes you look STUPID. USE THE FUCKING DICTIONARY. RAPE IS NOT WHAT A MOVIE DID TO YOUR CHILDHOOD. End of story.

 

[Skipper]

The term "childhood rape" has mostly been retired by now, for which a great deal of thanks goes to Katie Lucas who tweeted this back in 2011:

Still they had used this term at the time until someone had to explain them that casually tossing around the word "rape" is not ok. In the 2011. And making some research on Star Wars forums, there were people offended by her words.

 

[Mach5]

I used to use the term a lot, though only to make fun of people like Rich Evans who act like the whole world has ended because their favorite franchise dared to do something other than to just pander to their nostalgia. In hindsight, it would've been for the best if I hadn't used it at all, regardless of the context.

 

[Vger23]

Never disliked the opening theme, and I will give the show credit for one great outside-the-box idea: setting up the Vulcans as antagonists. Of course, that was something most fans hated, because it was the one thing about the show that represented an original creative thought.

I actually loved the opening theme because it broke from the stale orchestral theme cliche of Star Trek. I, too, liked the Vulcans portrayed as dicks.

Star Trek's been around for 51+ years. It NEEDS to challenge my expectations at this point, or I'm just not interested any longer. It's one of the reasons I've enjoyed the Kelvinverse and DSC so much.

 

[Tuskin38]

I thought the lyrics fit the first couple seasons over arching theme of the Vulcans holding them back.

 

[fireproof78]

^This. It's particularly idiotic because:

1. It's not like that making a sequel deletes retroactively the previous movies and your enjoyment of them.
2. There are people who have been literally raped in their childhood. They can't find any other metaphor???

Precisely so. Please use other language to describe the dissatisfaction with a product. A poor addition to a franchise does not spoil the whole bunch.

 

[Skipper]

I used to use the term a lot, though only to make fun of people like Rich Evans who act like the whole world has ended because their favorite franchise dared to do something other than to just pander to their nostalgia. In hindsight, it would've been for the best if I hadn't used it at all, regardless of the context.

Well, better late than never

 

[Mach5]

I recently read something about the Achmed Best case being misinterpreted and that it was the malevolent media writings that almost drove him to harm himself, not the fandom.

Can't remember where I read this, but after hearing Ahmed talk about it in a new video that he just released, I can only conclude that it was false, and I'm sorry if I unintentionally mislead anyone.

 

[DigificWriter]

I've never understood why the PTBs behind Enterprise felt it was necessary to change the series' title halfway through its run.

I've also never understood the hatred for either the theme song or the series itself, though, so make of that what you will.

 

[mlbach]

I didn't HATE the theme song, I just thought it was lame.

 

[Gonzo]

I didn't HATE the theme song, I just thought it was lame.

Yeah it was, it set the wrong tone for the whole series as its the first thing you see and hear when watching the pilot.

Discovery's is much better.

 

[Skipper]

Do I remember correctly that there was some outcry from the TOS fans when they announced TNG? We were lucky we didn't have Internet at the time...

 

[fireproof78]

Do I remember correctly that there was some outcry from the TOS fans when they announced TNG? We were lucky we didn't have Internet at the time...

I still struggle with TNG for this reason. That transition from TOS to TNG was a rough one but I warmed up to Berman era Trek eventually.

 

[Jadeb]

Do I remember correctly that there was some outcry from the TOS fans when they announced TNG? We were lucky we didn't have Internet at the time...

I still struggle with TNG for this reason. That transition from TOS to TNG was a rough one but I warmed up to Berman era Trek eventually.

In a way, they've been vindicated. TNG, good as it could be, ushered in the era of beige Berman Trek, and that ultimately turned the franchise into something quite different than it was. I despair when posters here assume that any episodic Trek would be in the mold of a dull '90s direction that was ultimately quite damaging to the Trek brand. There's no requirement that episodic storytelling feature technobabble solutions, catsuits, conference-room meetings and reset-button endings.

Ironically, I think the best serialized storytelling we've gotten from Trek so far was from the original crew: Trek II, III and IV. Those are successful episodic films, but they tie together into a really satisfying six-hour saga.