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I think it's silly that the Dalek could make a Dalek chassis from spare parts so easily, like the Doctor built her screw driver from spare parts so easily.
What about if instead of a shite Dalek, it built The Giant Robot from Tom Baker's regeneration recovery storyline intead? That's one hundred percent human tech, so there's no suspension of belief that their might be a few of them in crates hanging around in a UNIT warehouse.
Also if that's Robot man technology that the Dalek was using that was incorporated into "his" own cybernetic wetware, it may explain why Oregon from Fresh Meat didn't have massive holes in her back that she would have bled to death out of as soon as the Dalek took it's tendrils out of her brain and spine. And she may now be immortal? if only the good robot man stuff is happening to her and none of the bad.
Or if its a natural ability that they have always had, that would explain why they invented Robot man technology because it's in their nature to Goul'd lower life forms, but they're as lazy as the rest of the universe who create technology to replace our natural skillsets.
What about if instead of a shite Dalek, it built The Giant Robot from Tom Baker's regeneration recovery storyline intead? That's one hundred percent human tech, so there's no suspension of belief that their might be a few of them in crates hanging around in a UNIT warehouse.
Also if that's Robot man technology that the Dalek was using that was incorporated into "his" own cybernetic wetware, it may explain why Oregon from Fresh Meat didn't have massive holes in her back that she would have bled to death out of as soon as the Dalek took it's tendrils out of her brain and spine. And she may now be immortal? if only the good robot man stuff is happening to her and none of the bad.
Or if its a natural ability that they have always had, that would explain why they invented Robot man technology because it's in their nature to Goul'd lower life forms, but they're as lazy as the rest of the universe who create technology to replace our natural skillsets.
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One of the David Walliams book adaptions - think he and Jennifer Saunders were in it.
I'm okay with that, honestly. The Dalek made the girl hack the internet so it could find where a piece of Dalek might be found - that's how it knew to head to the storage facility. Also there's nothing saying that was its own former casing, it could have been from any of the multiple previous invasions. And then it could probably extrapolate everything it needed for the rest of its weaponry and systems from that, possibly in the style of the every-particle-of-a-Cyberman-has-the-plans-to-make-another-Cyberman thing from "Death in Heaven". Daleks are more advanced than Cybermen so I could go with that.
Plus, as you say, it was to make it a deliberate callback to "The Woman Who Fell to Earth". In that sense, this was the true season finale, not "Ranskoor". It was called "Resolution", after all. Story logic is sometimes overlooked in favour of thematic resonance, and again, I'll live with it.
My question was more that I didn't think the Dalek mutant could survive outside its shell. The Doctor did say that this was a special breed so maybe this one can. But also that it was one of the first types so it wouldn't have all the adaptations later models did. Ah well, I'll live with it for the sake of doing something different with a Dalek.
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The Dalek hacks into the Black Archive on screen. UNIT has presumably sold off some of its wares to the private company with it's Brexit/Trump furlough, and it was able to figure out references to Daleks/dalekanium/etc. To wit, the last time we saw the Black Archive on screen in the anniversary special, the Doctors send a Dalek flying through the painting into the Black Archive and it's carcass was just sitting there. Also, the sequence is deliberately meant to invoke the Doctor making her new sonic from The Woman Who Fell to Earth.
I'm actually somewhat shocked that the Dalek's signal didn't end up going through with some off-hand comment from the Doctor saying it'll take 130 years for it to reach Skaro but it's okay because she's already stopped that invasion.
Weren't the ratings down overall on Christmas Day this year, though? Seems likely it would have netted about the same - or worse, based on those Strictly... Christmas Numbers.
I know that call was meant as a joke but didn't like it. Throughout the show there was just so darn much wasteful conservation. Then we get to this and I'm telling the others I'm with, she gets the help line, and we get to hear the freaking conversation. What a waste. By itself, not a problem necessary. But with the amount of exposition, it just rubbed me the wrong way.
Except that was disproven with the fantastic ratings the series started off with. While no one would expect it to stay at those heights, Chibnal has managed to lose the majority all of those extra viewers leaving the series almost back to where it was when Capaldi finished.
I actually wish that there was going to be a longer break then we're going to get to give some time to reflect and course correct but instead we're likely to just get more of the same next time.
Then again the impression I get of Chibnal is that he wouldn't even accept that there is anything that needs changing. Moffat might never have admited it out loud but he was still willing to do things like dump the day-glo Daleks and try and make Capaldi likeable.
What would happen to the Black Archive if Brexit shut down UNIT?
The problem with the joke, beyond not being funny, is that UNIT is not a British organisation so Brexit shouldn't actually have an effect on it.
Now that was Doctor Who. I really enjoyed the episode and it was the best one of the new season by far. Chibnall managed to do a Dalek story and add some original bits to it, like the new Dalek scout. Also liked that the organic Dalek could function as a parasite. Definitely some similarities to the 2005 Dalek episode but that's not a bad thing. It does go to show how effective they are when there are only few or one.
Jodie and the cast were good here (though they really need to learn how to utilize Yaz) and I like that this brought out 13's more dangerous and aggressive side. I thought the scene between Graham and Aaron was great too. Didn't expect the couple to survive and though Aaron was going to sacrifice himself at the end too. I'm glad that wasn't the case.
I take it the UNIT funding line was a Brexit job, which was kind of funny but also cheap shot. Chibnall does the show no favors by being this overtly political.
Issues with the episode...well, it probably goes to the budget. I wish they had shown more of that 9th century battle in the beginning and some of the FX on the Dalek battle scenes weren't exactly strong. Also, if they wanted to utilize Yaz better, they could have had the cops that the Dalek attacked be people she knew, like the ones she interacted with in the first episode of the season.
So very happy with this episode and it gives me hope for the next series. I just wish we didn't have to wait so long.
Jodie and the cast were good here (though they really need to learn how to utilize Yaz) and I like that this brought out 13's more dangerous and aggressive side. I thought the scene between Graham and Aaron was great too. Didn't expect the couple to survive and though Aaron was going to sacrifice himself at the end too. I'm glad that wasn't the case.
I take it the UNIT funding line was a Brexit job, which was kind of funny but also cheap shot. Chibnall does the show no favors by being this overtly political.
Issues with the episode...well, it probably goes to the budget. I wish they had shown more of that 9th century battle in the beginning and some of the FX on the Dalek battle scenes weren't exactly strong. Also, if they wanted to utilize Yaz better, they could have had the cops that the Dalek attacked be people she knew, like the ones she interacted with in the first episode of the season.
So very happy with this episode and it gives me hope for the next series. I just wish we didn't have to wait so long.
Re: UNIT just have a line something along the lines off. "The leader of our major ally has withdrawn funding as he beliefs all these alien invasion reports are alternative facts".
But overall I would give it a 6 out of 10 there was some elements I liked,
Using the Dalek creature for a portion of the episode was at least something different, but it was a rather crowded Tardis.
Okay, I'm willing to buy that a mutated creature can survive being chopped up, but transmatting its other served pieces which are buried all around the planet is stretching it.
Oh... Is that what happened? I thought the bits might have been acting like a "flatworm" and thus regenerating into two more whole mutants. This assumption led me to wonder, "Wait! How are these guardians going to handle this new crisis?! Why leave that plot point dangling like that? A full year (and probably several additional months) will be a long time to 'follow up' this Chekhov's gun." In that regard, trans-matting dismembered body sections is actually less problematic, at least for me.
I will say that the "parasitic" Dalek voice was far more intimidating, more emotive and scheming, before it secured itself within the travel machine.
I will only note this. presented with this new ability (which I admit is very effective and hair raising), well, the "rule 34" practically draws itself!
Oh... Is that what happened? I thought the bits might have been acting like a "flatworm" and thus regenerating into two more whole mutants. This assumption led me to wonder, "Wait! How are these guardians going to handle this new crisis?! Why leave that plot point dangling like that? A full year (and probably several additional months) will be a long time to 'follow up' this Chekhov's gun." In that regard, trans-matting dismembered body sections is actually less problematic, at least for me.
I will say that the "parasitic" Dalek voice was far more intimidating, more emotive and scheming, before it secured itself within the travel machine.
I will only note this. presented with this new ability (which I admit is very effective and hair raising), well, the "rule 34" practically draws itself!
I don't know if the transmat was actually happening but that was my take on it.
OMG, I SO don't care about Ryan's daddy issues!! I hope that's finally over with. Those scenes almost put me to sleep.
Have past Dalek's ever demonstrated all the powers and skills of this one? I don't recall them taking people over, reassembling at great distances after being sliced up, and building a flying - FLYING - shell out of cast iron bits.
Otherwise, not too bad an episode.
Have past Dalek's ever demonstrated all the powers and skills of this one? I don't recall them taking people over, reassembling at great distances after being sliced up, and building a flying - FLYING - shell out of cast iron bits.
Otherwise, not too bad an episode.
The Doctor clarified this was something called a "Recon" Dalek, one supposedly having abilities a regular "grunt" would not possess ("puppeterring" a host, reconstituting). It was also noted the casing was something of a patchwork, having both Dalek level technology and parts (pieces sold off while UNIT was under review) mixed with conventional human based metalwork. Thus the situation was "lampshaded".
UnIT and UNIT are different beasts.
IRL the U.N. petitioned Dr Who to stop using their trademark.
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Yeah the implication is that UNIT was furloughed and the contents of the Black Archive were sold off to private companies. (Hence why all the viable Dalek parts were in easy to move boxes.)
I'd bet most likely. And because everyone is sick of hearing about it.
I wasn't a huge fan of this episode. It continued the season's trend of being solid, undaring, and kind of half-assing things. I didn't like the Dalek becoming a body-snatcher. It feels geneaicizing, just giving Daleks new abilities and taking away from what makes them Dalek-y. The idea of a mutant without a case having to be crafty is one thing, but it didn't have to be crafty, once it got its hands on Lin. Maybe it's a little RTD-silly, but a Dalek stealing, like, a Roomba, then switching to one of those security-guard robots, then stealing a car, and so on seems a lot more interesting than just zombie-ing a woman around cracking heads with their bare hands. And it wouldn't have to last as long, because I also didn't appreciate waiting until the last third of the episode for the Dalek to start Dalek-ing around.
Not that that was very satisfying either. Daleks mowing down legions of army guys is fun/scary when those army guys are standing between the Dalek and the Doctor/Companions. Don't just thrown in a random scene of the Dalek killing some nobodies, connect it to what's going on. And, yeah, Brexit joke, hurray, but it wouldn't have killed anyone to lose that beat and give the army guys the little red berets?
Ryan and Aaron's arc was perfunctory, at best, and completely divorced from the a-plot, for some reason. Even thematically! We got the Dalek rebuilding itself out of junk in Sheffield, just like the Doctor in the premiere, but they didn't really do anything with that, either.
The concept of having to defeat a lone Dalek in the Dark Ages seems a lot more interesting than anything about this episode. In fact, it might've made a better bookending nemesis than Tim Shaw. Do that in the second episode, in place of "The Ghost Monument," and then have this Dalek be one we already know, and maybe do something with the idea of the Doctor leaving problems half-solved, instead of flirting with it and ignoring it, like in the previous episode.
The "We could have a conversation" beat was embarrassing. What, was the BBC's jet plane set being used so he couldn't have a joke about airline food? Moreover, they'd already made the same joke, better, by having the TARDIS team quote the runner about everyone being hungover and all the shops being closed.
The Doctor continued to not show any depth or layers, which is something you might've hoped a Dalek episode would be good for. She didn't treat the Dalek any differently than she would any other monster. Minimal taunting, no anger, no sense that it was "personal" even though she said it was, like, five times. Also would've been a good opportunity to introduce some tension with the companions, something else this season failed to do. They never disagree with her, they're never taken aback by her, she's never upset with them, it's a positively TNG-level of comity. I can't believe I'm about to suggest this, especially since I was worried that Lin and Mitch's cutsiness was setting them up to be murderized a la the Sweet Grandpa Guard in the season premiere, but there would've been a prime chance for some long-overdue Doctor/companion reckoning if the Dalek did kill one or both of them, and the Doctor moved on immediately on the grounds that there's a Dalek on the loose, and never mind two people, they might be too late to save the city.
The cast is certainly giving it their all, and the characters have a strong baseline, but I don't have high hopes for season 12 being anything other than unambitious, glib, and superficial.
Not that that was very satisfying either. Daleks mowing down legions of army guys is fun/scary when those army guys are standing between the Dalek and the Doctor/Companions. Don't just thrown in a random scene of the Dalek killing some nobodies, connect it to what's going on. And, yeah, Brexit joke, hurray, but it wouldn't have killed anyone to lose that beat and give the army guys the little red berets?
Ryan and Aaron's arc was perfunctory, at best, and completely divorced from the a-plot, for some reason. Even thematically! We got the Dalek rebuilding itself out of junk in Sheffield, just like the Doctor in the premiere, but they didn't really do anything with that, either.
The concept of having to defeat a lone Dalek in the Dark Ages seems a lot more interesting than anything about this episode. In fact, it might've made a better bookending nemesis than Tim Shaw. Do that in the second episode, in place of "The Ghost Monument," and then have this Dalek be one we already know, and maybe do something with the idea of the Doctor leaving problems half-solved, instead of flirting with it and ignoring it, like in the previous episode.
The "We could have a conversation" beat was embarrassing. What, was the BBC's jet plane set being used so he couldn't have a joke about airline food? Moreover, they'd already made the same joke, better, by having the TARDIS team quote the runner about everyone being hungover and all the shops being closed.
The Doctor continued to not show any depth or layers, which is something you might've hoped a Dalek episode would be good for. She didn't treat the Dalek any differently than she would any other monster. Minimal taunting, no anger, no sense that it was "personal" even though she said it was, like, five times. Also would've been a good opportunity to introduce some tension with the companions, something else this season failed to do. They never disagree with her, they're never taken aback by her, she's never upset with them, it's a positively TNG-level of comity. I can't believe I'm about to suggest this, especially since I was worried that Lin and Mitch's cutsiness was setting them up to be murderized a la the Sweet Grandpa Guard in the season premiere, but there would've been a prime chance for some long-overdue Doctor/companion reckoning if the Dalek did kill one or both of them, and the Doctor moved on immediately on the grounds that there's a Dalek on the loose, and never mind two people, they might be too late to save the city.
The cast is certainly giving it their all, and the characters have a strong baseline, but I don't have high hopes for season 12 being anything other than unambitious, glib, and superficial.
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Dare say it? YES, I do...
...The Doctor wasn't paying attention...
Woman driver!...
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