Supergirl - Season Four

[DigificWriter]

Leaving aside debates about Chloe's importance to the broader Superman mythos, Supergirl as a series has already established her as being vitally important in the life of their version of Superman, which is why I see her as being a "major character" associated with the property and believe that she ought to be introduced at some point.

 

[Reverend]

There, see, that's basically conceding that the character isn't permanently irredeemable, which is all I've been saying. The Superman mythos has been around for 80 years, so it's appropriate to take the long view.

And? We're talking about her showing up on the Supergirl TV show, not anywhere ever again until the heat death of the universe.

The character is not disgraced, only the actress.

And as already established, the two are inexorably linked for the foreseeable future.

 

[DigificWriter]

And as already established, the two are inexorably linked for the foreseeable future.

Already established by whom?

I agree with Christopher that Allison Mack's alleged criminal activities impact negatively on her, not the character of Chloe, but I would also argue that those same allegations actually provide an impetus for the character's onscreen introduction into the Arrowverse.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Outrage is a strong word. I would have to take you remotely seriously to be outraged.

Why would anyone care if you take them seriously? You're the one taking the time to put words in my mouth and argue against things I never said nor thought. Just trying to educate you.

 

[dahj]

It was a disgusting display of weak writing.

A summary of your post history in Supergirl threads.

 

[JD]

Nope. Not saying that at all. You said that, and I guess that's how your mind works. But some people like to put words in other people's mouths so they can be fake outraged when they argue against their own comments.
...
So despite your sexist comment, I don't have a problem with strong women. I have a problem with weakening other characters to make them look strong. It's fake, like your outrage.

 

[Jayson1]

It's like a zombie argument. It just won't die.

Because it has evolved into being a funny argument. Supergirl beating up Superman and making him cry and poop his pants or so it's remembered is now comedy gold! Works both sides of the political spectrum. It's either SJW silliness or fragile male ego silliness. It's the gift that keeps giving.


Jason

 

[Tuskin38]

I have a problem with weakening other characters to make them look strong.

Good thing they haven't done that here.

This show doesn't have an established past, there is are no previous stories to compare the characters to.

Like if the show was a continuation of another story where these things were established, you'd be sort of right. But it isn't, it is its own standalone story, it's own continuity away from all other stories.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Because he already knows the results, is Brainiac allowed to play the lottery, the stock market or sportsball?

He should be a dozen times richer than Lena plus Maxwell Lord, but still he's trying to fit into the DEO for some reason, even though Alex is being an ass, rather than firing him for being a bad people person.

 

[Mudd]

Lex Luthor is decades old and has always been pretty much without a peer in his brilliance. So yeah, that would be revisionist history. If they are going to bring in a major character, might as well actually WRITE the character correctly.

Yeah...since I've been reading about him since around 1958 there's literally not a thing you can tell me that I didn't know before you. So far, your familiarity with him seems to be pretty superficial.

Jeez, I remember back before the days when the smartest way Luthor could think of to make a living was to use his inventions to break into bank vaults - which was, seriously, not a genius move - wearing that one grey prison uniform that he never bothered to shed after his latest breakout.

I remember the first time an adult Luthor met Superboy in the final panels of a story about mysterious machines committing robberies in Smallville. Yeah, Luthor was ten, fifteen years older than Clark - for at least one story. The continuity (not history) about them being the same age and Luthor being Superboy's pal in Smallville was invented later on.

It's not "history." That word means something. These are stories that have been contradicting other stories since before you were born. The writers will go on doing that, just as they always have.

 

[Greg Cox]

Leaving aside debates about Chloe's importance to the broader Superman mythos, Supergirl as a series has already established her as being vitally important in the life of their version of Superman, which is why I see her as being a "major character" associated with the property and believe that she ought to be introduced at some point.

I don't know. As I recall, there was a cute reference to her in one episode of SUPERGIRL. Not sure that makes her vitally important. She was a big deal on SMALLVILLE, but so far she was just a fun "Easter Egg" on SUPERGIRL. No real need to introduce her. She's mostly a SMALLVILLE character who has had only a minimal presence in the actual comics.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Reveal that on Earth 38 Chloe Sullivan is Felicity Smoak’s doppelgänger. Played by Emily Bett Rickards. It makes so much sense given Chloe married Oliver Queen. It would not surprise me if they go with it.

It’s been confirmed that picture of Kara, Clark, and Lois is going to be the Kent farm in Smallville. But also that it is the exact same farm house used on the series Smallville. That might be a first. I can not recall a location from a previous superhero tv/film being reused for a later adaptation as the same place. Usually because vastly different filming cities. This is also being shot in Vancouver area.

Closest I can think of are spots on the Warner Backlot used on Batman 66, Wonder Woman 77, The Flash 90, Lois & Clark, Batman Returns/Forever/& Robin. But used for completely different buildings and cities. Similarly Los Angeles City Hall was used as the Daily Planet on the George Reeves series. Was seen in National City in a 1st season Supergirl episode.

 

[Greg Cox]

Jeez, I remember back before the days when the smartest way Luthor could think of to make a living was to use his inventions to break into bank vaults - which was, seriously, not a genius move - wearing that one grey prison uniform that he never bothered to shed after his latest breakout..

Bingo. That's the Lex I grew up on, before the green-and-purple armor, before Gene Hackman, before Lex was reinvented as a business tycoon . . ...

And, honestly, the DC Universe is full of scientific geniuses and mad scientists, all categorically brilliant: Doctor Sivana, the guy who built the Metal Men, Mr. Terrific, etc. No reason to rank them.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Bingo. That's the Lex I grew up on, before the green-and-purple armor, before Gene Hackman, before Lex was reinvented as a business tycoon . . ...

And, honestly, the DC Universe is full of scientific geniuses and mad scientists, all categorically brilliant: Doctor Sivana, the guy who built the Metal Men, Mr. Terrific, etc. No reason to rank them.

Without lists how will websites generate ad revenue?

 

[Jayson1]

I kind of like the idea of Lex being more Gene Hackman and is funny. If not would it be wrong to bring Rosenbum from "Smallville" onto the show? Also with talk of Elsworlds in the "Batwoman" thing why not have the "Smallville" version come through a breech.

Jason

 

[Mudd]

It's true that there's no reason to rank Luthor as more brilliant than Doc Magnus other than because it was asserted to be so in a Superman comic.

 

[DigificWriter]

I don't know. As I recall, there was a cute reference to her in one episode of SUPERGIRL. Not sure that makes her vitally important. She was a big deal on SMALLVILLE, but so far she was just a fun "Easter Egg" on SUPERGIRL. No real need to introduce her. She's mostly a SMALLVILLE character who has had only a minimal presence in the actual comics.

It's mentioned in Midvale" that Chloe helped Clark be Superman just as James, Winn, Alex, and J'onn later would help Kara be Supergirl.

That's why she's vitally important in his life.

 

[Jayson1]

The whole Luthor must be smarter is like 10 times more silly and absurd IMO than the Superman/Supergirl fight. At least I understand that one. Superman is a Icon and you have the ole, don't tug on Superman's cape idea where he has to be almost perfect to feel like Superman. Lex being the smartest person doesn't seem to have that history or importance to the character in the same way. The character is more flexible in how much change you can bring to him than you get with Superman.

Jason

 

[dahj]

That's why she's vitally important in his life.

I don't think the character, the actress, nor the scandal she was involved in are widely known so I don't see much that would preclude Chloe from showing up in anything, but I also don't think the character is a necessary one to the Superman mythos that she would have to be included.

 

[DigificWriter]

I don't think the character, the actress, nor the scandal she was involved in are widely known so I don't see much that would preclude Chloe from showing up in anything, but I also don't think the character is a necessary one to the Superman mythos that she would have to be included.

Again, "Midvale" establishes that Chloe was for Clark what Felicity, Cisco, Winn, and Brainy are/were for Oliver, Barry, and Kara.