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How do you rate The Woman Who Fell to Earth?


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Anyway with all the talk of the insanity of creating a new sonic in a warehouse with bits of alien tech and NO A-TEAM THEME PLAYING

The MacGyver theme would be more appropriate, since she's a solo act.


With his permission mind you, she grabbed it, and by mostly staring at it and MAYBE pressing a couple buttons, completely replaced the original OS with a fancy schmancy tracking app.

It was more than a couple. She was tapping busily on the screen the whole time. It was an implausibly fast job of reprogramming, but that’s simple dramatic license, no worse than the nonsense you see human hackers do in countless TV shows.
 
Despite the different casings, don't all the Sonic screwdrivers have the same programming? That was a plot point in The Day of the Doctor.
 
Despite the different casings, don't all the Sonic screwdrivers have the same programming? That was a plot point in The Day of the Doctor.

Normally yes. I think we've seen the other sonics were made by the TARDIS so the TARDIS probably programmed them all the same. Jodie's sonic however is different since it was jerry rigged on Earth. It might not have the same programming unless the Doctor knows the programming by memory and added the same one.
 
Normally yes. I think we've seen the other sonics were made by the TARDIS so the TARDIS probably programmed them all the same. Jodie's sonic however is different since it was jerry rigged on Earth. It might not have the same programming unless the Doctor knows the programming by memory and added the same one.

He added the sound chip from memory.
The modern sonic must by definition be backing itself up to the tardis...we saw tennant get his destroyed at least once.
Which is the thing that really really really annoys me about the silly cliffhanger...since when has the Tardis fecked off to another planet by itself? Seriously? That’s some messed up HADS right there.
 
I think we've seen the other sonics were made by the TARDIS so the TARDIS probably programmed them all the same. Jodie's sonic however is different since it was jerry rigged on Earth. It might not have the same programming unless the Doctor knows the programming by memory and added the same one.

Well, by the TARDIS or by the Doctor working within the TARDIS, and thus with access to the necessary tech.

By the way, it looks to me like this screwdriver actually has a readable display in the side, which explains how the Doctor actually knows what it's reporting. Before, it was kind of mysterious. Was the information conveyed in the sound it made (which I guess would fit a sonic screwdriver), or was the Doctor reading it telepathically? If it was the latter, I guess that explains why she went with a screen this time -- no telepathic circuitry was available to her.
 
That really really really annoys me about the silly cliffhanger...since when has the Tardis fecked off to another planet by itself? Seriously? That’s some messed up HADS right there.

Hopefully there is a good mystery there that the writers are going to tell.
 
I thought that, too. I'm deeply concerned about the Rosa Parks episode, though. I worry that Chbinall will cheapen a seminal moment in American history with an alien and/or the "White Savior" trope. Rosa Parks was important on her own terms. She doesn't need the Doctor as an inspiration or an alien as an antagonist.
I'm concerned for the same reasons. I'm hoping they had enough sense to recognize that such a seminal moment shouldn't be influence, directly or indirectly, by The Doctor and her companions. Maybe they'll get involved in a supportive or tangential capacity? I don't know. It does feel like shaky ground but I want to trust Chibnall and company will handle it with dignity and respect.
 
I'm concerned for the same reasons. I'm hoping they had enough sense to recognize that such a seminal moment shouldn't be influence, directly or indirectly, by The Doctor and her companions. Maybe they'll get involved in a supportive or tangential capacity? I don't know. It does feel like shaky ground but I want to trust Chibnall and company will handle it with dignity and respect.

You aínt seen much torchwood. Or this first episode. Dignity and respect is...thinly spread in occasional areas. That’s why some human characters can walk past a corpse without much bothering about it now the exposition was done on another corpse, and why random grandad is established as one before his gruesome death, because he isn’t plot armour grandad who survived cancer. It’s a little clumsy. I am looking forward to some non chibnall stories.
 
You aínt seen much torchwood. Or this first episode. Dignity and respect is...thinly spread in occasional areas. That’s why some human characters can walk past a corpse without much bothering about it now the exposition was done on another corpse, and why random grandad is established as one before his gruesome death, because he isn’t plot armour grandad who survived cancer. It’s a little clumsy. I am looking forward to some non chibnall stories.
I have. I've also seen Law & Order: UK and Broadchurch.
 
Well, by the TARDIS or by the Doctor working within the TARDIS, and thus with access to the necessary tech.

By the way, it looks to me like this screwdriver actually has a readable display in the side, which explains how the Doctor actually knows what it's reporting. Before, it was kind of mysterious. Was the information conveyed in the sound it made (which I guess would fit a sonic screwdriver), or was the Doctor reading it telepathically? If it was the latter, I guess that explains why she went with a screen this time -- no telepathic circuitry was available to her.
Smith's screwdriver had the same function, at least initially. Notably in "The Beast Below", he'd scan something and then peer at the extended side of the thing to "see" the results of the scan. If there's a display, it might be tuned to Gallifreyan eyes.

The sonic has been busted on numerous occasions on NuWho. Off the top of my head, Tennant's got fried and replaced in "Smith and Jones", and then finished off in "Eleventh Hour". Smith's is eaten by a shark in "A Christmas Carol", and then Capaldi may have junked its replacement via Davros' chair in "The Magician's Apprentice" duology. Post-sunglasses year, he subsequently busted the bluer replacement screwdriver in "Oxygen", but it was hastily replaced as well. Most or all of this is during the time frame of TARDIS-made sonics though, so really all the Doctor has to do is retreat back to the ship to get a replacement. To say nothing of the cuppa sonics he had in his office...

Back to the phone, I just re-watched it and yup, she actually touched the thing MAYBE three times. Stranger still, I think it could be a practical effect, and Jodie was literally swiping the phone's screen (it was an android phone) from the home screen to whatever red blinky screen the props guys had come up with. Either way, I agree it's not at all plausible, but really just par for the course on TV.

Mark
 
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Smith's screwdriver had the same function, at least initially. Notably in "The Beast Below", he'd scan something and then peer at the extended side of the thing to "see" the results of the scan. If there's a display, it might be tuned to Gallifreyan eyes.

That's just what I mean, though. In past versions, yes, the actor often pretended to look at some imaginary display on a prop that had no display, but on this prop, it looks like there actually is a real display for the actor to look at. That's a significant improvement in the real prop design, finally updating the design to match the in-story treatment of the device.
 
I'm deeply concerned about the Rosa Parks episode, though. I worry that Chbinall will cheapen a seminal moment in American history with an alien and/or the "White Savior" trope. Rosa Parks was important on her own terms. She doesn't need the Doctor as an inspiration or an alien as an antagonist.
I'm only guessing (or maybe hoping) that this will be an educational aspect of the story. Both in the real historical sense of who Rosa was and what she did. And, in the fictional context of when the Doctor doesn't get involved--"I don't need to because Rosa is handling it." That all might be a backdrop to some other story.

Or, maybe an alien is threatening Rosa to change history and the Doctor needs to thwart the alien so Rosa can do her thing. That would involve an alien but still respect Rosa's contributions.

I guess I don't see much reason to worry. Chibnall seems to support diversity and women.
 
I'm only guessing (or maybe hoping) that this will be an educational aspect of the story. Both in the real historical sense of who Rosa was and what she did. And, in the fictional context of when the Doctor doesn't get involved--"I don't need to because Rosa is handling it." That all might be a backdrop to some other story.

Or, maybe an alien is threatening Rosa to change history and the Doctor needs to thwart the alien so Rosa can do her thing. That would involve an alien but still respect Rosa's contributions.

I guess I don't see much reason to worry. Chibnall seems to support diversity and women.
That's a good way of looking at it and it's probably something like that.

That said, I still wish we could get actual historicals without any alien involvement at all. I find it puzzling that is something hard to do.
 
That's a good way of looking at it and it's probably something like that.

That said, I still wish we could get actual historicals without any alien involvement at all. I find it puzzling that is something hard to do.
I have to be honest, but I'm not a huge fan of pure historicals in DW. Although, Black Orchid was OK, mostly because it was a short break from the norm. But, I watch DW for sci fi. If I want a historical show, I'll watch a historical show.

So, I'd be happy if there was some other main SF type of story happening and Rosa was in the background. Kind of like how in Remembrance of the Daleks the 60s social issues in the UK were there in the background but not the main story--although it did tie into the Dalek racism/civil war. That story didn't have a historical figure in it, but it could have.

Of course, your mileage can, and apparently does, vary! :)
 
I can certainly understand why some people don't enjoy Black Orchid, but when I think of historicals, I always of think of Marco Polo, The Aztecs (I don't think there any real figures but it's a pure historical setting), The Reign of Terror, The Crusade (the whitewashing aside...Marco Polo and The Aztecs, too, come to think of it), and The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve. While I admit I'm no expert of those particular historic settings, I've always felt they maintained the history fairly well while allowing our characters to interact with history without meddling. Well, aside from when Barbara tried to meddle. :lol:

Hell, Big Finish has done a number of excellent pure historicals over the years, so why can't the show?
 
I actually prefer Black Orchid over the other historicals that you mention. It was a nice short trip with some fun and humor.
I believe the historicals in the B&W days were associated with lower ratings and were dropped for that reason. Maybe that fear persists? I don't really know.
 
The Crusade (the whitewashing aside...Marco Polo and The Aztecs, too, come to think of it)

At least "Marco Polo" had Zienia Merton in it, so it wasn't 100% whitewashed (though she was half-Burmese rather than Chinese).


While I admit I'm no expert of those particular historic settings, I've always felt they maintained the history fairly well while allowing our characters to interact with history without meddling.

They did sometimes suffer from the need to keep the characters from having any real impact on history. The first 3/4 of "The Crusade" is fantastic, like the TARDIS crew has stumbled into a lost Shakespeare play called The History of King Richard I or something, but then the last part just has to be about the crew getting out of various traps and getting back to the ship, and all the neat historical drama just fizzles out.


Hell, Big Finish has done a number of excellent pure historicals over the years, so why can't the show?

The show no doubt has to attract a larger, less specialized audience, so it's less able to do stories that appeal to niche interests. Most modern viewers would be puzzled to see an episode that was just pure history with no sci-fi elements. Heck, I think part of the reason they gave up on historicals in the first place was because they didn't do as well in the ratings as the sci-fi stories. I certainly agree that the historicals were often some of their best work, but what's good and what's popular are, sadly, not always the same thing.
 
At least "Marco Polo" had Zienia Merton in it, so it wasn't 100% whitewashed (though she was half-Burmese rather than Chinese).
Yeah, she was the one good exception. I wonder why they cast someone ethnically closer to the role she was playing but then cast a bunch of white dudes as the rest of the Chinese?

They did sometimes suffer from the need to keep the characters from having any real impact on history. The first 3/4 of "The Crusade" is fantastic, like the TARDIS crew has stumbled into a lost Shakespeare play called The History of King Richard I or something, but then the last part just has to be about the crew getting out of various traps and getting back to the ship, and all the neat historical drama just fizzles out.
It's been years since I've watched that serial (along with the fan reconstructed episodes) so I'll have to take your word for it on that critique. I just remember loving the story as a whole, particularly Julian Glover as Richard the Lionheart.

The show no doubt has to attract a larger, less specialized audience, so it's less able to do stories that appeal to niche interests. Most modern viewers would be puzzled to see an episode that was just pure history with no sci-fi elements. Heck, I think part of the reason they gave up on historicals in the first place was because they didn't do as well in the ratings as the sci-fi stories. I certainly agree that the historicals were often some of their best work, but what's good and what's popular are, sadly, not always the same thing.
Entirely fair, if frustrating. I just think there's a good way of framing a pure historical with The Doctor suggesting visiting a certain period of time and they go in with no expectations of alien shenanigans...and nothing happens. Except...I guess that wouldn't work since they often go somewhere in the past with that expectation. Damn.
 
Yeah, she was the one good exception. I wonder why they cast someone ethnically closer to the role she was playing but then cast a bunch of white dudes as the rest of the Chinese?

Probably because Merton was one of the very, very few Anglo-Asian actors who'd managed to break into the industry at the time. And that was probably because she was half-European and could pass for white (although "Marco Polo" was her television debut).


It's been years since I've watched that serial (along with the fan reconstructed episodes) so I'll have to take your word for it on that critique. I just remember loving the story as a whole, particularly Julian Glover as Richard the Lionheart.

Oh, sure, it's great. It's just constrained by the need to shift focus away from the real historical parts in the last episode. "The Reign of Terror" had a similar problem, with the cast ending up being basically just spectators to history toward the end.

I guess there were a variety of different ways the historicals handled the issue of the leads' involvement with history. "An Unearthly Child" had the advantage of being a pre-historical, so they were able to have the TARDIS crew influence one of the most important events in human history, the invention of fire, since there are no records of the event to contradict. "Marco Polo" got around it by focusing on a fictitious threat to the real historical figures. "The Aztecs" dealt with it by focusing on the overall ways of the culture and Barbara's inability to change them, rather than involving the crew in a specific, known historical event. "The Romans" did give the Doctor credit for inspiring Nero to burn down Rome, although the historicity of Nero's culpability for the fire is disputed. So that's another major event involving fire that the Doctor was given credit/blame for. "The Myth Makers" managed to work the crew into key roles because the events were more myth than history, so the Doctor got credit for thinking up the Trojan Horse and Vicki became Cressida (a character from medieval literature rather than myth or history). "The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve" had Steven focus on a few individuals caught up in the larger event, and get into a really powerful argument with the Doctor about the ethics of allowing historical evils to remain unchanged. (It was always kind of arbitrary the way the Doctor considered events in Earth's past, relative to the 1960s, to be off-limits while events at any time in an alien planet's history were subject to intervention and change.) "The Gunfighters"... hell, it just threw the historical facts out the window, but it still had the main cast become peripheral to the climactic action. "The Smugglers" was a fictional aftermath to a real event, the pirate career and death of Henry Avery (who much later appeared in "The Curse of the Black Spot"). And "The Highlanders" is similarly about the aftermath of the Battle of Culloden rather than the battle itself.
 
Rubbertoe Replicas, a company that makes several props for Doctor Who and, not coincidentally, sells Doctor Who prop collectables, posted that they'll be putting up a making-of article on the new screwdriver in the next few days. From what I can see, it looks like there are translucent areas in the side of the case that make up the "display."
 
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