Yet we do and go on and on about it. It's become the only thing that matters to far too many.
When Trek insults our intelligence
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
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Abrams likes shooting on location.
For what it's worth, I think canon is owned a lot more by the collective imagination of the fans than it is by the IP holders. And I do think that 'canon' is worth considering, because it's essentially the sum of decades of worldbuilding in the universe that has captured all of our imaginations and made us invested in it. I disagree that we should just ignore when there's continuity problems. If you tell stories in an established universe you need at least some level of faithfulness to the universe.
But DISCO detractors seem to think by saying over and over and louder and louder that everybody hates DISCO that it will make it so. It's getting flat out obnoxious.
Yeah, the vision of Trek in Discovery isn't the same as previous visions of Trek, but I think it fits in the universe reasonably well, terrible Klingon makeup aside. I would take a flawed new idea over the giant steaming Member Berry some of the fans seem to want.
Man, I need one of those Vulcan Erotic Headache Messages that Phlox prescribed for Trip.
But DISCO detractors seem to think by saying over and over and louder and louder that everybody hates DISCO that it will make it so. It's getting flat out obnoxious.
Yeah, the vision of Trek in Discovery isn't the same as previous visions of Trek, but I think it fits in the universe reasonably well, terrible Klingon makeup aside. I would take a flawed new idea over the giant steaming Member Berry some of the fans seem to want.
Man, I need one of those Vulcan Erotic Headache Messages that Phlox prescribed for Trip.
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I responded to the thread and that's how I see it! If you don't and you like the show and the way it is presented then I'm glad for you!
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Has nothing to do with liking or disliking the show.
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Marf?
Doubtful.
I don't feel insulted personally but sometimes I think those behind Discovery think we're all stupid misogynistic racist bigots who need to be schooled in what diversity is. After 50 years of Star Trek I suppose that's insulting not only to the fanbase but Star Trek itself.
Can't say that I'm actually irritated or insulted by it, but I always get a chuckle that, despite the vastness of the space-time continuum and innumerable worlds in our quadrant, almost every temporal crises hinges on a trip to the North American continent of late 20th century Earth. 
"....insults our intelligence" is too strong and really doesn't fit the subject matter. 'Stretching credibility' or 'straining our ability to suspend our disbelief' might be better.
The Klingon translation scene in TUC was annoying....in my opinion. Uhura was deep into linguistics and would have made every effort in her career to familiarize herself with the Klingon language in order to be more effective in her position. Plus, when Spock gave Kirk the copy of 'A Tale of Two Cities' in the form of a very old book, in TWOK, it was treated with reverence. In TUC, the old books are just piled up willy-nilly and are riffled through with reckless abandon. Granted that in a crisis situation there is no time to be worried about something like damaging antiques, but the whole scene comes off as having been included just for comic effect and no other purpose. It's the 23rd century....how would there be information about Klingon language in very old books?
But, there are those who think that the scene is charming. I can cringe inside, but at the same time I can say "Okay, I respect your opinion." That's what IDIC is all about. Disagree, but respect each other nonetheless.
Is the scene an insult to our intelligence? No. That would be taking it much too far.
As an aside, I was watching various episodes of fan-made Trek on youtube last night and I noticed something. There was a quality about the scenes on board the Enterprise that seemed....different. Aesthetically almost too perfect, somehow. For a while I couldn't figure out what it was. Then it hit me. The productions did not use 1960s cameras and lights. This isn't even a criticism. Just an observation of subtleties that can be perceived.
The Klingon translation scene in TUC was annoying....in my opinion. Uhura was deep into linguistics and would have made every effort in her career to familiarize herself with the Klingon language in order to be more effective in her position. Plus, when Spock gave Kirk the copy of 'A Tale of Two Cities' in the form of a very old book, in TWOK, it was treated with reverence. In TUC, the old books are just piled up willy-nilly and are riffled through with reckless abandon. Granted that in a crisis situation there is no time to be worried about something like damaging antiques, but the whole scene comes off as having been included just for comic effect and no other purpose. It's the 23rd century....how would there be information about Klingon language in very old books?
But, there are those who think that the scene is charming. I can cringe inside, but at the same time I can say "Okay, I respect your opinion." That's what IDIC is all about. Disagree, but respect each other nonetheless.
Is the scene an insult to our intelligence? No. That would be taking it much too far.
As an aside, I was watching various episodes of fan-made Trek on youtube last night and I noticed something. There was a quality about the scenes on board the Enterprise that seemed....different. Aesthetically almost too perfect, somehow. For a while I couldn't figure out what it was. Then it hit me. The productions did not use 1960s cameras and lights. This isn't even a criticism. Just an observation of subtleties that can be perceived.
To be fair, the "fact" that Uhura was "deep into linguistics" is mostly fanon and had NOT been established at the time they made TUC. It's a neat idea, but it was NEVER actually stated on the original TV series. She was an accomplished expert on communications technology, like the chief radio operator on a military submarine, but the widespread assumption that she was also a super-linguist didn't become "canon" until the reboot movies.
Yeah, sure, you can make the case that it would be valuable for a Starfleet communications officer to be fluent in Klingon, but never once on TOS was she actually shown to be fluent in Klingon, Romulan, or whatever. That was a fan theory that somehow became taken for granted, kinda like the false notion that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet, etc.
So the movie was not in error in that respect.
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I think it might be more true today than it would be on the Enterprise. It would be quite advantageous for the two to strongly overlap by Uhura's time.
Even today, many employment applications ask if you are fluent in more than just English.
Greg, yeah....I think it does come from the Pocket Novels. Maybe 'Uhura's Song' or 'Tears of the Singers'? It's been a long time since I read those.
Just goes to show another example of how much expansion there has been over time since those 79 episodes. To the point where sometimes you just forget that a particular element was not a part of them.
In Uhura's time she just needs to know how to run the Universal Translator.
But there may be times when it isn't functioning or when there are other circumstances involved, such as the 'personalization' thing....some cultures might be offended by communication being filtered through a machine....and such.
Plus, the character of Uhura comes across as someone who would be curious and interested to learn. Subjective impression, of course.
Honestly, I think I may have used the "linguistics" thing in my own novels on occasion. Just making the point that TUC was consistent with what we saw on TV, not counting the books and stuff.
