Spoilers Avengers: Infinity War grade and discussion thread
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Given all the various discrepancies in the MCU timeline, I wouldn't consider that to be proof positive of the show's placement.
At any rate, a chronological viewing order of the MCU just posted by comicbook.com places Luke Cage season 1 and all the Netflix shows after that as being after Civil War.
http://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2018/06/05/mcu-viewing-order-chronological-marvel/#5
At a quick glance, I couldn't find any real issues with it. I would have included the one shots, and I would have watched Iron Man 2 before The Incredible Hulk because we see Stark become a SHIELD consultant in Iron Man 2, and then we see him as a SHIELD consultant in The Incredible Hulk. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 needs to be closer in the chronology to volume one. Also, the name of the show was "Agent Carter", not "Peggy Carter". Just minor issues.
It applied to the Inhuman characters on Agents of SHIELD. As for Spider-Man, I took his regular reports to Stark by way of Happy to be part of his compliance with the Accords. And does anybody within the government actually know about Strange and the other magic users?
The official name of the sokovia accords per Civil War itself is: Framework for the Registration and Deployment of Ehanced Individuals. It has nothing to do with the Avengers specifically, they're just the most obvious group it applies to.
Just got around to watching this... haven't watched all of the Marvel movies before, so I might have missed out (probably without the "might", especially on the GotG-front) on some of the back story.
It was entertaining - but confusing as hell as well.
First of all, Thanos, for all the screentime he had, didn't have much of a background: I mean, my planet destroyed itself because of overpopulation and they didn't listen to my proposal to randomly kill half of the population, and now I'm on a rampage to do just that for the rest of the galaxy, and I just hate the people of Earth... isn't much of a background story. And getting all weepy because he loves his daughter and throws her down the cliff anyway... pleaaaase... should I feel compassion now?
Combining all the superheroes was a mixed picture. Again, contrasting them to Thanos, they definitely didn't just get the short stick in terms of the outcome but also in terms of screen time. There are just too many to actually focus on any of them - some of them had good scenes, but overall some had more cameo-appearances than actual roles as protagonists. And sorry, but could anyone explain why Spider-Man got his teary goodbye when everyone else just vanished into thin air?
And that GotG guy questioning Thanos... a major WTF-moment. Understandable, yes, but defeat/get that glove off of Thanos first, question later?
I'm not too strung out about the deaths yet. Strange said that in all the futures he saw there was one where Thanos was defeated - and he ensured that future by handing over the stone (and probably by saving Iron Man... although I could definitely have done with him vanishing...). Since the time-stone isn't destroyed, events aren't set in stone yet. Though it would be quite the reset button to sort of annul all of Infinity War. Loki has to return, though. *g*
It was entertaining - but confusing as hell as well.
First of all, Thanos, for all the screentime he had, didn't have much of a background: I mean, my planet destroyed itself because of overpopulation and they didn't listen to my proposal to randomly kill half of the population, and now I'm on a rampage to do just that for the rest of the galaxy, and I just hate the people of Earth... isn't much of a background story. And getting all weepy because he loves his daughter and throws her down the cliff anyway... pleaaaase... should I feel compassion now?
Combining all the superheroes was a mixed picture. Again, contrasting them to Thanos, they definitely didn't just get the short stick in terms of the outcome but also in terms of screen time. There are just too many to actually focus on any of them - some of them had good scenes, but overall some had more cameo-appearances than actual roles as protagonists. And sorry, but could anyone explain why Spider-Man got his teary goodbye when everyone else just vanished into thin air?
And that GotG guy questioning Thanos... a major WTF-moment. Understandable, yes, but defeat/get that glove off of Thanos first, question later?
I'm not too strung out about the deaths yet. Strange said that in all the futures he saw there was one where Thanos was defeated - and he ensured that future by handing over the stone (and probably by saving Iron Man... although I could definitely have done with him vanishing...). Since the time-stone isn't destroyed, events aren't set in stone yet. Though it would be quite the reset button to sort of annul all of Infinity War. Loki has to return, though. *g*
Who said he hates the people of Earth? He doesn't hate anyone, he's just carrying out his plan.
First, because he's a kid and the one most likely to make the audience sad. Second, because Iron Man is heavily motivated by guilt and this is his worst nightmare. And third because Spider-man has that danger sense which allows him to feel the whole thing coming earlier than anyone else, which must obviously be scary as hell since he literally can't do anything to stop it.
If Peter Quill had acted intelligently after what Thanos did to Gamora, that would've been the WTF moment. Ruled by emotion is literally his entire character. This is just the first time it didn't quite work out for him.
Loki and Heimdall are the only two about whom I'm 99% certain are never coming back. They've had their run and Asgard isn't even relevant anymore, anyway.
I'm curious to know how Thano's knows about Tony Stark. Does Thano's know alot about Stark or just some notes on him.
"Tony Stark a terran who stopped the first invasion of Terra.
Or
"Tony Stark. Son of Howard and Maria Stark. Genius and billionaire."
"Tony Stark a terran who stopped the first invasion of Terra.
Or
"Tony Stark. Son of Howard and Maria Stark. Genius and billionaire."
Which is? Reducing the population by half... and then?
Erm, contrived reasons - everyone of the Avengers is motivated by guilt... it's sort of a must in a hero's makeup. Spiderman's a kid... and? As I said, there were quite a few more heroes who (apparently) vanished, and no one else got this goodbye. Could have done without that one as well (especially since it was the clichéd version of guilt-ridden father-figure and kid-character).
Hm... he didn't even know yet what had happened when he started questioning Thanos - Gamora's sister told him then. And of course, we again have that guilt-tripping issue because he couldn't kill Gamora when she asked him to. Urgh. Still. Ruled by emotion is all well and good. Priorities would be better. He could have punched Thanos all he wanted if he had just waited for another minute. I think it's a shame that important plot points (here, in the various TV-superhero-series etc) are very often based on such stupid issues. I'm not putting down anyone's emotions... but at some point it's just important to act rationally despite them.
Don't care about Heimdall... but Loki was fun. Granted, the character has run its course.
What I find interesting is that none of the original Avengers vanished: Captain America, Widow, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor...
Sit enjoying a sun set while the universe is greatful. Which is exactly what happened, although the greatful universe part is questionable.
And then he's done. He's 'made the universe a better place', according to his own thinking, anyway. You may or may not like the concept of the character and his plan, but all of this is abundantly clear from the movie. There's no need to act like it's some super confusing and obtuse plot. It's really very simple.
No, guilt is not intrinsic to every hero. It's also not intrinsic to every Avenger. It is something that has been on the radar of several of them, but even then, Tony Stark is in a whole different guilt ballgame. This scene is giving him his worst nightmare to setup his position in the next movie. Again, like it or don't like it, whatever, but there are clear, logical reasons it was done this way.
Of course it is. That's just not who Peter is. Sorry if you don't like the character, but this scene could not have played any other way with that character.
Avengers 4 is out next year and almost certain to be the last Avengers movie with all the originals in it. They cleared out most of the new and side characters so that those six could get lots of attention in the next movie. Then, once they're ready to move on, you'll get (some/most/all of) the new ones back in time for phase iv.
It's here!
Awwww....baby Thanos! 
That was as truly epic as I hoped.
That was as truly epic as I hoped.
My wife (and pretty much every female I've met) would 100% disagree with you about a naked Thor not working.
Probably a number of guys too.
My wife (and pretty much every female I've met) would 100% disagree with you about a naked Thor not working.
I did say storywise, I didn' say it wouldn't be worth it...
pfff story? Put a naked Chris Hemsworth on screen and no one would care about the story. That movie would probably be the first to break $2billion
He had the soul stone, he was able to know every single detail of his life.