HBO's "Westworld", starring Anthony Hopkins/produced by J.J. Abrams

[Mudd]

MIB is a robot in the movie.

There's a gunslinger robot in the movie, dressed in black, who is a robot.

Which has fuck-all to do with a single thing about this television series.

Pay attention to the goddamned TV series - to what's actually being said and done in the shows, not to the cubbyholes some people want to shove all the ambiguity into so that they can say "I Guessed It!" by "predicting" that the writers are about to do what they did once before - except, this time, for no reason and not at all well.

 

[crookeddy]

There's a gunslinger robot in the movie, dressed in black, who is a robot.

Which has fuck-all to do with a single thing about this television series.

Pay attention to the goddamned TV series - to what's actually being said and done in the shows, not to the cubbyholes some people want to shove all the ambiguity into so that they can say "I Guessed It!" by "predicting" that the writers are about to do what they did once before - except, this time, for no reason and not at all well.

Delete your account.

 

[Spot's Meow]

Fans will just not let go of this stupid "The MiB is a robot" thing until the show nails the lid shut on...something they never really opened to begin with.

The "evidence" fans find for the theory is of the same quality as that "proving" that UFOS are alien spacecraft or that the Earth is flat.

Normally I agree that the fan theories go a bit too far, but I do think that this one is plausible. He wasn't just poking into his arm at the end of the episode, he also seemed to be scratching at it throughout. Even when he was sitting on the bed talking to his wife before she died. Does that mean he's a robot, or is it just to signal that he has been descending into madness? I feel that it could go either way. If he is indeed a robot, then I think there are two possibilities:
1. He was the second subject, after Delos, on which the immortality project was tested and it seems to have been a success. He doesn't remember dying or being reborn as a robot, just as Delos didn't.
2. He has always been a robot, and there was never a real William to begin with. We know nothing of his life before he met Julia and her family. Someone purposely introduced him to that family with the intention that he would take over the company.

However I think it's just as likely that he's not a robot at all and has done a terrible thing and is now going crazy and questioning his reality.

 

[DigificWriter]

MIB is a robot in the movie.

Nope.

The character of William/The Man in Black does not exist in the Westworld movie; his character is based on Yul Brenner's Gunslinger character, but is not the same character and was never intended to be the same character.

And yes, the repeated emphasis is intentional.

People have become so convinced that Westworld is trying to deceive them that they're twisting themselves into mental pretzels looking for "clues" to support 'theories' that actually have zero basis in anything.

 

[crookeddy]

Nope.

The character of William/The Man in Black does not exist in the Westworld movie; his character is based on Yul Brenner's Gunslinger character, but is not the same character and was never intended to be the same character.

And yes, the repeated emphasis is intentional.

People have become so convinced that Westworld is trying to deceive them that they're twisting themselves into mental pretzels looking for "clues" to support 'theories' that actually have zero basis in anything.

The show is intentionally designed to breed these kinds of discussions. If you think you know exactly what's going to happen, you are probably wrong.

Also no shit he's not the same character. The other character was a one note villain. I just threw a random thing out there, it didn't have much meaning.

 

[DigificWriter]

The show is intentionally designed to breed these kinds of discussions. If you think you know exactly what's going to happen, you are probably wrong.

Do you even watch the show?

Because this is the kind of statement that leads me to believe that you don't.

 

[crookeddy]

Do you even watch the show?

Because this is the kind of statement that leads me to believe that you don't.

Delete your account too.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I don't think William is a host. But if he is, we'll probably find out soon, since the last episode had him just about to cut into his arm and check.

I think it would be lame if he were.

 

[crookeddy]

I don't think William is a host. But if he is, we'll probably find out soon, since the last episode had him just about to cut into his arm and check.

I think it would be lame if he were.

It's certainly a more interesting story if he isn't. That isn't proof of anything though.

 

[Neroon]

Delete your account.

As said in the previous thread, no more of this or it's a warning

 

[Mojochi]

Normally I agree that the fan theories go a bit too far, but I do think that this one is plausible. He wasn't just poking into his arm at the end of the episode, he also seemed to be scratching at it throughout. Even when he was sitting on the bed talking to his wife before she died. Does that mean he's a robot, or is it just to signal that he has been descending into madness? I feel that it could go either way. If he is indeed a robot, then I think there are two possibilities:
1. He was the second subject, after Delos, on which the immortality project was tested and it seems to have been a success. He doesn't remember dying or being reborn as a robot, just as Delos didn't.
2. He has always been a robot, and there was never a real William to begin with. We know nothing of his life before he met Julia and her family. Someone purposely introduced him to that family with the intention that he would take over the company.

However I think it's just as likely that he's not a robot at all and has done a terrible thing and is now going crazy and questioning his reality.

I suppose #1 could happen, but I don't know if I can buy #2, unless his daughter & wife are also robots?

 

[Awesome Possum]

William being a host ruins the whole point of the character. It seems like a shock for the purpose of being shocking and the show has been better written than that.

 

[RJDiogenes]

For William's sake I hope she was a robot

And for the audience. I love how MIB is no match for her. Plus, that bit about her "wanting in" seems to want to go somewhere.

Hmm, dunno, I'm not entirely convinced that's the case.

Maybe or maybe not, but something's going on with his arm that goes back at least as far as that party scene-- they definitely drew a parallel between MIB and Bernard, but, of course, it could be just a red herring to throw us off the track.

 

[Mudd]

Thandie Newton on Westworld nudity:

"I've had terrible things happen, so to be able to say to the showrunners of Westworld, 'I am willing to stand for 75 percent of this season totally naked' because it wasn't a sexual context [is powerful]," Newton declared. The actress also pointed out that in contrast to her female costars, when many of the men on Westworld are asked to do a nude scene, they are comfortable vocalizing any insecurities they have concerning their bodies. "To see this man terrified of being naked when Evan Rachel Wood and I have grown accustomed to it, sitting there, having a chat, a glass of water, totally naked, it was very touching," she said. "And he's learned that it's really tough, and the more men that do it… And men are also really worried about how their bodies look. So much more worried than us. Like these guys on Westworld are all, 'How does my bum look? I'm really scared, can you do some shading here and there?' And we're like, 'Really?'" Newton said with a laugh.

 

[Spot's Meow]

I suppose #1 could happen, but I don't know if I can buy #2, unless his daughter & wife are also robots?

I agree, that scenario is a little too far-fetched for me.

 

[Mudd]

William is human.

But...the humans have no more free will than the hosts.

And their world is a bigger version of Westworld.

When the Door opens, it doesn't open on to the world that William, Logan and the others knew, but to something beyond that.

It's elephants all the way down.

Or...none of this is true. That would be the way to bet.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Maybe or maybe not, but something's going on with his arm that goes back at least as far as that party scene-- they definitely drew a parallel between MIB and Bernard, but, of course, it could be just a red herring to throw us off the track.

Well, I think it's just likely a visual to show us how he's unsure of himself. He saw his wife descend into madness and abhors the idea that he is too. He also had his daughter telling him that he was. It's like the effect of being out in the sun for too long. It's another version of "well, everyone else is one, so who can you trust?" I'd be more surprised at this point if his wife ended up being a host scripted to have him descend into madness to keep him away from Westworld.

 

[Mudd]

In the history of the show there is one Host revealed to be passing as a human:

Bernard.

Because that's his story. That's what makes his POV unique.

This is not The Invaders.

 

[crookeddy]

In the history of the show there is one Host revealed to be passing as a human:

Bernard.

Because that's his story. That's what makes his POV unique.

This is not The Invaders.

The only thing suggesting that we'll see more hosts posing is humans is an article before the season came out claiming that hints to the plot of future seasons is in the movie sequels to Westworld. And those involve hosts hiding in the human population. Can't find the article anymore, so maybe it was full of BS.

 

[Mudd]

Link?