I'm glad you're liking it. You haven't gotten to the parts I really liked yet, so I hope you'll keep going and give us your verdict on the season as a whole.
Poll Disco v Lost in Space v Orville FIGHT
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I'm glad you're liking it. You haven't gotten to the parts I really liked yet, so I hope you'll keep going and give us your verdict on the season as a whole.
Picked all three. I enjoyed Disco the most, and lost in space the least, but definitely enjoyed all of them. I don't think I'd have enjoyed Disco as much had it not been weekly though. I enjoyed the speculation about the next episode as much as the episodes themselves at times.
I thought that was how the internet worked in general , and I was just breaking the law with lack of negativity and scorn.
Agree! Why talk about something that you like????? Soooooooo BORING!!!!!! Intilexuals like...talk about stuff that doesn't meat there expectashuns and stuff....cuz like....we have more intelligence ratios or whatever. Buncha drooling idiots just liking whatever sez Star Trak on it...sheesh!!!!
6 episodes down of LiS as of last night. It's good. 7/10 so far. Excellent production values and great looking show. Story mediocre. Cast excellent. The younger actors are amazingly talented (same level of talent as some of the Stranger Things cast). They did nice work on this one.
DSC
LiS
Orville
(all three are entertaining and worthwhile...just showing the separation between them in terms of how much I enjoy them relative to each other)
DSC
LiS
Orville
(all three are entertaining and worthwhile...just showing the separation between them in terms of how much I enjoy them relative to each other)
Just finished the first episode of LiS and I really enjoyed it. Am definitely invested. It’s a great example of a reboot - like the 2004 BSG (which I also thoroughly enjoyed - even the ending, which I thought was wonderful). It’ll be interesting to see how season 2 of DSC stacks up against its competition
I agree with others that The Expanse is better than all three of the options mentioned here. The Expanse is a much better comparison to DIS as well than LiS or The Orville, because it's a "big story" epic, plot-driven space adventure. It's not perfect - I really wish they'd tone down the "modern TV" tendency of even allies to snipe with one another needlessly to fill up time and allow for some genuine friendships to develop (as in the novels). And some casting choices (like Steven Strait as the series lead) were just mistakes IMHO. But it's still the best sci-fi on TV right now. Watching Season 3 unfold now, I'm struck at how the dialogue is so different from DIS - mostly because the showrunners allow for long dialogues which don't really have much to do with the story, but help to develop the personalities of the characters. This was notably absent in DIS, which was all the poorer for its absence.
LiS is decentish but it really starts to drag and it stems most of it's drama from "Bad communication" trope where nobody shares information with eachother about dangerous situations... for some reason? Also a lot of annoying things like it raining yet it's -60 degrees and cold enough to near instantly freeze a lake solid? When they're digging through the ice and it starts raining, they don't bother just grabbing that tent and walking over and putting it over the hole?
Orville is actually a fun and extremely comfy show to watch let down by extremely bad humour.
Discovery is mind boggingly terrible on near every level, unlikable characters, bad writing all round, plot makes no sense, seems to think fans actually like Star Trek Into Darkness.
The Expanse is basically what I think Discovery was trying to ape a lot but completely fell flat with. Like Eschaton I really enjoy The Expanse, but
Overall I think I would go
1: Orville
2: Expanse
3: LiS
4: Discovery
Orville is actually a fun and extremely comfy show to watch let down by extremely bad humour.
Discovery is mind boggingly terrible on near every level, unlikable characters, bad writing all round, plot makes no sense, seems to think fans actually like Star Trek Into Darkness.
The Expanse is basically what I think Discovery was trying to ape a lot but completely fell flat with. Like Eschaton I really enjoy The Expanse, but
Is one of my biggest gripes of the show. Something it shares with Discovery as well is the protagonist of both series are completely unlikable smug douchebags.
Overall I think I would go
1: Orville
2: Expanse
3: LiS
4: Discovery
I liked LiS enough that I was willing to make mental excuses for some of the science stuff. They were on an alien world, so maybe what falls from the sky isn't actually water. Maybe something in it has to dissipate before it can freeze, like chlorine will dissipate from tap water. Etc. The fact that they tried so hard to make an alien planet seem really alien, rather than just coloring some foliage purple, won a lot of goodwill from me. Incredibly minor spoiler:
I loved the flowers that bloomed in response to sound. I have no idea how that would work, but it was a beautiful moment. I wish Discovery had more of that sort of thing.
Admittedly, the tent thing is pretty goofy. That first ep is my least favorite of the run, and I think it gets better from there.
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I actually don't think Jim Holden is badly written on The Expanse. The problem is Steven Strait was the wrong actor to cast.
"Book Holden" is sometimes naively optimistic and tries to do the right thing, but he's also supposed to be a somewhat world-wise, grizzled veteran, and gets crustier as time goes on. Steven Strait is an okay actor (although not one of the best on the cast) but he's just not plausible in the role at all. He might be 32 now, which is around the right age, but he seems like he just stepped off of a teen romance series. As the series has trudged on they've desperately tried to butch him up - making him walk around with perpetual scruff and talk in an unnaturally deep register - but it's clear that's just not who Steven Strait is, and he just doesn't carry the role well.
No time like the Present. Let's see how much I can get through tonight.
I love Star Trek Into Darkness, I have no use for Discovery.
I liked STID pretty well and consider STD utter dross.
Some of that can be explained by them being out of communication range. They've covered a lot of ground throughout the season. You often saw them arriving to the scene of something happening as a result. Also, something I felt was quite realistic was that if they were busy with something, they were busy and unable to answer if their attention was critical.
Not sure what West's presumptive ethnicity has to do with anything.
West is a canny, working class kind of guy who is aware of the elitist/classist underpinnings of the Alpha Centauri colonial project in a way that the other folks are not.
"Smith" - whom I loathe as a fictional person and love as a fictional creation - is a completely different character who works perfectly in this show where a comic buffoon like the original would not. She's a bargain-basement, wannabe Hannibal Lector who's creepy as fuck to watch.
And I am past tired of the use of "iconic" now to mean "anything comfortable that we recognize and like."
West is a canny, working class kind of guy who is aware of the elitist/classist underpinnings of the Alpha Centauri colonial project in a way that the other folks are not.
"Smith" - whom I loathe as a fictional person and love as a fictional creation - is a completely different character who works perfectly in this show where a comic buffoon like the original would not. She's a bargain-basement, wannabe Hannibal Lector who's creepy as fuck to watch.
And I am past tired of the use of "iconic" now to mean "anything comfortable that we recognize and like."
Don't forget the very white Maureen Robinson who gave away what looked to be top secret material to get her son on board the Resolute. And John Robinson who seemed to be running from his family.
There was plenty of dysfunction to go around.
Why can not they do Don like his classic character was a soldier? or if he has to be a trafficker, why did they have to choose a Latino to play his character?Not sure what West's presumptive ethnicity has to do with anything.
West is a canny, working class kind of guy who is aware of the elitist/classist underpinnings of the Alpha Centauri colonial project in a way that the other folks are not.
"Smith" - whom I loathe as a fictional person and love as a fictional creation - is a completely different character who works perfectly in this show where a comic buffoon like the original would not. She's a bargain-basement, wannabe Hannibal Lector who's creepy as fuck to watch.
And I am past tired of the use of "iconic" now to mean "anything comfortable that we recognize and like."
let's not be naive we all know very well that this is a stereotype.
dr smith was the most famous character in the original series !!
but these are not racist stereotypes that promote a biased view of an important part of society.
Maybe? But it could also be indicative of a society that doesn't value certain ethnicity as highly as others. It could all be part of a bigger story that we aren't seeing yet.
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