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Novels that would make great movies

It was especially interesting reading the few books between TMP and TWOK since all they had was TMP (and the original series of course) to feed off of. They couldn't even really include the animated series back then.

Sure they could, if they wanted to. It wasn't until 1989 that Richard Arnold imposed the arbitrary set of tie-in restrictions that included a ban on TAS elements. It's just that TAS wasn't as widely available back then; it wasn't on home video yet and there were only occasional reruns. So some writers were less familiar with it than others and thus didn't acknowledge it. Or else they were aware of it but didn't believe it counted, not as a matter of imposed restrictions but just as a personal preference.

In one of the early issues of DC's first TOS comic series, there was an item in the letter column where editor Bob Greenberger talked about how he and writer Mike Barr disagreed on whether to include TAS. Bob wanted to include it, but Mike wanted to leave it out. Which presumably is why they didn't add Arex and M'Ress to the comic until Len Wein took over the writing.

But there were some references to TAS in the early novels. Bantam's The Galactic Whirlpool referenced Arex and M'Ress, and the earlier The Starless World referred to the Enterprise having previously visited the center of the galaxy (as in "The Magicks of Megas-tu"). Of course, Howard Weinstein was familiar with TAS since he'd made his professional debut writing for it, and his Pocket novel The Covenant of the Crown reused the disease choriocytosis from "The Pirates of Orion." The Tears of the Singers by future TNG writer Melinda Snodgrass featured Kali from "The Time Trap" as Kor's wife. The Vulcan Academy Murders referenced a lot from "Yesteryear," even though Yesterday's Son had completely ignored it.


The Wounded Sky did have that movie feel to it. Nowadays they'd have no problem depicting K's't'lk (yeah, I had to look that one up).

Well, her name in TWS is K't'lk. K's't'lk is who she becomes at the end of the book (it's complicated).

I did see on Memory Alpha the year for the book was retroactively adjusted to 2275, so a few years after TMP--which does make more sense than during the original series.

The Duane books kind of had to be adjusted to post-TMP, because they apparently were written under the assumption that the gap between TOS and TMP was longer than just a few years, closer to the decade-long gap in real life. There were several books from that era that made the same assumption, that there was a second 5-year mission between TOS and TMP or just that the mission was open-ended despite the title narration. For instance, The Romulan Way is explicitly set 8 years after "The Enterprise Incident," but it's only a year after The Wounded Sky and My Enemy, My Ally. So under modern timeline assumptions, they have to be post-TMP, even though they were written as pre-TMP (Spock's World was the first Duane book to be overtly set after it).


I loved those books, and the 3rd Rise and Fall of Khan Noonian Singh. I couldn't put that book down. Greg Cox sort of reminds me of the fix it guy because he always seems to find inconsistencies in canon and fixes them so they make sense. And he thinks of things I didn't even realize (like why Khan was wearing a glove in TWOK, why all his 'crew' look like a blonde hair band in TWOK) and of course how he knew Chekov (I always figured he was just assigned elsewhere on the ship).

I think Greg was asked by our editor to incorporate the Chekov explanation that I'd given in Ex Machina around the same time (that Chekov had been in engineering and had led the defense against Khan's takeover of that section), although I borrowed mine in turn from Allan Asherman's Who's Who in Star Trek from DC. So Asherman deserves the original credit.
 
Sure they could, if they wanted to. It wasn't until 1989 that Richard Arnold imposed the arbitrary set of tie-in restrictions that included a ban on TAS elements. It's just that TAS wasn't as widely available back then; it wasn't on home video yet and there were only occasional reruns. So some writers were less familiar with it than others and thus didn't acknowledge it. Or else they were aware of it but didn't believe it counted, not as a matter of imposed restrictions but just as a personal preference.

In one of the early issues of DC's first TOS comic series, there was an item in the letter column where editor Bob Greenberger talked about how he and writer Mike Barr disagreed on whether to include TAS. Bob wanted to include it, but Mike wanted to leave it out. Which presumably is why they didn't add Arex and M'Ress to the comic until Len Wein took over the writing.

But there were some references to TAS in the early novels. Bantam's The Galactic Whirlpool referenced Arex and M'Ress, and the earlier The Starless World referred to the Enterprise having previously visited the center of the galaxy (as in "The Magicks of Megas-tu"). Of course, Howard Weinstein was familiar with TAS since he'd made his professional debut writing for it, and his Pocket novel The Covenant of the Crown reused the disease choriocytosis from "The Pirates of Orion." The Tears of the Singers by future TNG writer Melinda Snodgrass featured Kali from "The Time Trap" as Kor's wife. The Vulcan Academy Murders referenced a lot from "Yesteryear," even though Yesterday's Son had completely ignored it.




Well, her name in TWS is K't'lk. K's't'lk is who she becomes at the end of the book (it's complicated).



The Duane books kind of had to be adjusted to post-TMP, because they apparently were written under the assumption that the gap between TOS and TMP was longer than just a few years, closer to the decade-long gap in real life. There were several books from that era that made the same assumption, that there was a second 5-year mission between TOS and TMP or just that the mission was open-ended despite the title narration. For instance, The Romulan Way is explicitly set 8 years after "The Enterprise Incident," but it's only a year after The Wounded Sky and My Enemy, My Ally. So under modern timeline assumptions, they have to be post-TMP, even though they were written as pre-TMP (Spock's World was the first Duane book to be overtly set after it).




I think Greg was asked by our editor to incorporate the Chekov explanation that I'd given in Ex Machina around the same time (that Chekov had been in engineering and had led the defense against Khan's takeover of that section), although I borrowed mine in turn from Allan Asherman's Who's Who in Star Trek from DC. So Asherman deserves the original credit.

Oh, ok. It's been years since I read some of those early novels and I guess I forgot those references (except the Bantam novels which I just started reading in the last year or two--I've bought a bunch of those used since I have most of the S&S novels now). I seem to remember the change in K't'lk's name had something to do with Scotty. I was just using her last known name.

At first the additional 5 years before TMP didn't make sense to me because in TMP they explicity mention 2 1/2 years but then I realized they must have thought there was a 2nd five year mission after the end of the original series (or even TAS I guess) and before the refit. Maybe the idea was that there was an earlier refit than TMP (maybe taking into account the failed Phase 2 show which was supposed to be a 2nd 5 year mission), then a bigger refit for TMP after that 5 year mission. But I know later it's been implied that that extra time frame was actually between TMP and TWOK and they sort of put a new 5 year mission after TMP. But some of the descriptions of the Enterprise felt more TMP era anyway so it seemed more appropriate (unless, as I noted, they were thinking Phase 2ish with an earlier refit).

I have seen Chekov explained a few times as already being on the Enterprise before Catspaw--and I never took too much of an issue with Khan knowing Chekov in TWOK. I always just figured he was probably on the ship somewhere else. But Rise and Fall... did a good job with a lot of the minor inconsistencies between Space Seed and TWOK--even things I didn't realize until I read them in his book. And it was a great story overall--showing the slow progression of Khan being just a power hungry superman to someone who's only reason for existence was to have his vengeance on Kirk. And of course their struggle on Ceti Alpha V just to survive.
 
At first the additional 5 years before TMP didn't make sense to me because in TMP they explicity mention 2 1/2 years but then I realized they must have thought there was a 2nd five year mission after the end of the original series (or even TAS I guess) and before the refit. Maybe the idea was that there was an earlier refit than TMP (maybe taking into account the failed Phase 2 show which was supposed to be a 2nd 5 year mission), then a bigger refit for TMP after that 5 year mission.

The problem wasn't with the 2 1/2 years reference, since that was just the length of time Kirk had been Chief of Starfleet Operations. The problem was with Kirk's reference to "my five years out there" dealing with unknowns. That line pretty much confirmed that he'd been promoted just after the TOS "5-year mission" (although it doesn't make sense anyway, because it ignores his previous 10 years in Starfleet as established in the series).

Still, I think a lot of fiction back then was just generally looser about chronology, not as detail-obsessed as we are today. That's how M*A*S*H could spend 11 years making a show about a 3-year war. There was a show called Run for your Life about a guy who started out with 18 months to live, and the show ran 3 seasons. I'm sure that if TOS had lasted longer and been renewed for a 6th season, they wouldn't have even bothered trying to address the discrepancy with the opening narration. (Indeed, the assumption of TOS's writers seemed to be that Kirk had already been in command for at least 2 years at the start of the series.) So I think some of the Trek novel writers just approached the show as being in sort of a M*A*S*H-like perpetual now, telling stories that were overtly 7-8 years after TOS but still somehow taking place during the "5-year mission."
 
TV movie/series
Vulcan's glory
Sarek (great book)
The never ending sacrifice
Typhon pact series
The Fall series (just to see the look on Picard's face when the Federation & Starfleet turns out not to be so perfect after all)
Section 31 Control (the ending would have people either applauding or shouting at the TV)
 
The problem wasn't with the 2 1/2 years reference, since that was just the length of time Kirk had been Chief of Starfleet Operations. The problem was with Kirk's reference to "my five years out there" dealing with unknowns. That line pretty much confirmed that he'd been promoted just after the TOS "5-year mission" (although it doesn't make sense anyway, because it ignores his previous 10 years in Starfleet as established in the series).

Still, I think a lot of fiction back then was just generally looser about chronology, not as detail-obsessed as we are today. That's how M*A*S*H could spend 11 years making a show about a 3-year war. There was a show called Run for your Life about a guy who started out with 18 months to live, and the show ran 3 seasons. I'm sure that if TOS had lasted longer and been renewed for a 6th season, they wouldn't have even bothered trying to address the discrepancy with the opening narration. (Indeed, the assumption of TOS's writers seemed to be that Kirk had already been in command for at least 2 years at the start of the series.) So I think some of the Trek novel writers just approached the show as being in sort of a M*A*S*H-like perpetual now, telling stories that were overtly 7-8 years after TOS but still somehow taking place during the "5-year mission."

I assumed his 5 years comment was just regarding his 5 years in command during the 5 year mission. But yeah, canon wasn't as big of a thing back then. I'm happy for the greater continuity nowadays, with my obsessive nature about such things (as I'm sure you've noticed ;) ). But retconning some of those earlier novels into a 5 year mission following TMP I think works just fine, and doesn't really contradict the novels since they didn't really come out and say what year it was. Sometimes they'd use Stardates--but we know how malleable stardates were back in the day. In a way it makes everything fit together. 2 1/2 years for the refit, then in the TWOK when they specify it's been 15 years since Space Seed and it all falls together. Plus it means the refit Enterprise was in services for about 12 or 13 years (rather than the just 3 or 4 years if you moved TMP to 8 or 9 years if you add a 2nd 5 year mission to prior to TMP---I mean, who would do a total refit and mothball the ship 3 or 4 years later?).

Section 31 Control (the ending would have people either applauding or shouting at the TV)

I was a big fan of the show "Person of Interest" and this book reminded me a lot of that show--even the use of the term "Control" which was featured in POI. It'd make a great TV special for sure and I agree about the ending.
 
That's how M*A*S*H could spend 11 years making a show about a 3-year war.

Or how the Simpsons have been on the air for almost 30 years and yet no one ever seems to age. Ditto for South Park (well they did advance one grade on that show).
 
The problem wasn't with the 2 1/2 years reference, since that was just the length of time Kirk had been Chief of Starfleet Operations. The problem was with Kirk's reference to "my five years out there" dealing with unknowns. That line pretty much confirmed that he'd been promoted just after the TOS "5-year mission" (although it doesn't make sense anyway, because it ignores his previous 10 years in Starfleet as established in the series).

I’ve always taken his statement about “five years out there” as his justification for returning to starship command specifically. His pre-Enterprise experience was certainly important but may not have been what he felt warranted him getting the Enterprise back.
 
But retconning some of those earlier novels into a 5 year mission following TMP I think works just fine, and doesn't really contradict the novels since they didn't really come out and say what year it was.

The main continuity issue there is that Sulu, Uhura, and Chekov still have their TOS ranks in the Duane books, and in some of the other '80s books set in an "extended 5-year mission" era (e.g. Memory Prime, which is "a few years" after "The Lights of Zetar," and Corona, which seems to be some years after TOS and implies that Kirk is in his 40s).
 
The main continuity issue there is that Sulu, Uhura, and Chekov still have their TOS ranks in the Duane books, and in some of the other '80s books set in an "extended 5-year mission" era (e.g. Memory Prime, which is "a few years" after "The Lights of Zetar," and Corona, which seems to be some years after TOS and implies that Kirk is in his 40s).

Yeah, it can make things a bit confusing. I remember when I initially read some of those novels sometimes I couldn't figure out when it was. I'd settle on during the original series, but then they'd described something that seemed post TMP. In some cases I figure I'd just assume it's post TMP and think of the crew at that time (and just mentally adjust the ranks to coincide with what they should be ). It takes a bit of imagination but with it usually works.
 
I think Greg was asked by our editor to incorporate the Chekov explanation that I'd given in Ex Machina around the same time (that Chekov had been in engineering and had led the defense against Khan's takeover of that section), although I borrowed mine in turn from Allan Asherman's Who's Who in Star Trek from DC. So Asherman deserves the original credit.

Yep. I got a note from Pocket Books alerting me to your bit in time to reference it in my book.
 
I second everyone on VANGUARD. The imagery, descriptive writing and characterization of those novels really pulled me in. I also felt the same way about the LEGACIES trilogy. There are plenty to choose from but those are the two I can think of right now.
 
I remember hearing years ago, possibly on the TWOK DVD DE that Khan remembered Chekhov because Chekov was taking to long in the bathroom and Khan really needed to empty his genetically enhanced kidney’s.


But back to the topic, I would like to see a Starfleet Academy series based on the early-90’s Starfleet Academy series. As I recall, Riker, LaForge, Troi, Yar, Worf, and Janeway were all at the Academy right around the same time of the 2350’s. And there could even be a few flashbacks courtesy of Boothby to the days of Data, Crusher and Picard.
 
A follow-up novel about Rugal would be nice, indeed. This might as well be wishful thinking as matters stand at the moment.
 
Requisite, obligatory Federation mention before anyone else says it...
Yes, Federation would be at the top of my list. It would have been so much better than the first two TNG movies.

Others on my list:

Spock's World (it gave me some insight into what could be motivating some of the RL separatists here in Canada)

The McCoy novel in the Crucible trilogy (Provenance of Shadows): It tells the story of what happens if Edith Keeler doesn't die, and McCoy is stranded back in 1930 because somehow Kirk and Spock weren't able to set everything right.

How Much For Just the Planet? - The best way to tackle this one is to imagine yourself in the audience, watching a Star Trek story in the form of a musical.

There are others... some mentioned here, and others I can't think of at the moment and can't go look at my shelf to jog my memory because of the stack of moving boxes in front of it.
 
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