Would future time cops head for the MU after Ep14?

[Arpy]

Spoilers Ahead for "War Without, The War Within"
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After Burnham & Co. destroy the Imperial palace ship, is the Terran Empire badly effected?

Would the 29th Century time cops have to take action, for fear of repercussions in our universe?

Do DSC and ENT radically change the MU we know from TOS and DS9?

I like less and less the idea that things always having happened in whatever countless ways we see changes made. What was the universe like before they were? Even if we never saw it.

 

[Spot261]

Are there MU time cops?

 

[dahj]

Are there MU time cops?

I think they're called Terminators.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Daniels mentioned alternate timelines in ENT: "Azati Prime", so they're likely aware of them.

But I doubt time cops exist in DSC's version of the Trekverse. They're ignored, like Klingon Augments.

 

[guyute03]

Good question, but I do not know. I have however wondered about them while we've been watching Discovery. Not Daniels specifically, but the "Time Cops" we saw on Voyager.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The time police only come into play when there's actual time travel involved. None of that has as yet happened in DSC.

 

[Dukhat]

Not offense, but people need to stop thinking that “time cops” are going to show up every time someone does a Marty McFly. The time cops were just some ill-conceived nonsense in two episodes of a show produced over 20 years ago. It’s not relevant now.

 

[The Wormhole]

I'm lost, why the hell are the time cops being discussed? There's been no time travel in Disco, unless you count the ship jumping ahead nine months, but why does that require action by time travelers from six hundred years into the future?

Looking over the OP again, I see this has something to do with the Mirror Universe story, but again, so what? Why does a 29th century time fleet care about what a ship in the 23rd century is doing that has nothing to do with time travel?

While we're at it, why not just find a way to somehow tie Gul Evek into all this...

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Eh time travel In trek is broken as hell. It was one reason post NEM shows are dead for now. With the FC/ENT reset, who knows if any of that will happen.

 

[Arpy]

I'm lost, why the hell are the time cops being discussed? There's been no time travel in Disco, unless you count the ship jumping ahead nine months, but why does that require action by time travelers from six hundred years into the future?

Looking over the OP again, I see this has something to do with the Mirror Universe story, but again, so what? Why does a 29th century time fleet care about what a ship in the 23rd century is doing that has nothing to do with time travel?

While we're at it, why not just find a way to somehow tie Gul Evek into all this...

The original Defiant altered the MU. The spore tech is both space and time altering. Discovery just helped topple the most dangerous government in their galaxy. If I'm the new emperor, and I find whatever knowledge is archived of the Defiant, and I see what happened to my predecessor, maybe I make a point of conquering the weaker Federation and expand my empire sideways. Or maybe the toppling of the Terran Empire leads to Mirror Borg conquering countless other dimensions, not including our own. The point is, lots of things may happen -- that's why there are time cops.

Gul Evek was Lt. Daniels' partner on the Time Beat. There was a lot going on we didn't know.

But thanks for answering any of the questions I posed in the thread you chose to participate in.

Were Braxton and company part of the Department of Temporal Investigations? It has been a long time, Dukhat, and I forget, this moment. Anyone remember?

I like the way you thing, dodge.

 

[Dukhat]

Were Braxton and company part of the Department of Temporal Investigations? It has been a long time, Dukhat, and I forget, this moment. Anyone remember?

The DTI is a different organization than the 29th century time cops. The DTI is from the 24th century, and from what we saw, they only seem to interview Starfleet officers who have reported that they’ve traveled in time. They have no time travel capability themselves.

The 29th century time cops on the other hand, do have time travel capability and apparently actively monitor issues in the space-time continuum, and intervene when necessary when there’s changes in the timeline. But here’s the problem: in both episodes involving the time cops trying to fix a problem, it turned out that the problem was actually caused by the time cops themselves. So their organization is pretty much pointless.

 

[eltel99uk]

The DTI is a different organization than the 29th century time cops. The DTI is from the 24th century, and from what we saw, they only seem to interview Starfleet officers who have reported that they’ve traveled in time. They have no time travel capability themselves.

The 29th century time cops on the other hand, do have time travel capability and apparently actively monitor issues in the space-time continuum, and intervene when necessary when there’s changes in the timeline. But here’s the problem: in both episodes involving the time cops trying to fix a problem, it turned out that the problem was actually caused by the time cops themselves. So their organization is pretty much pointless.

Indeed. Although I was a fan of Isaac Asimov's novels, as soon as you introduce some notion of future "time cops" who are supposed to keep things "right" you are getting into deus ex machina territory... "this is the way it is meant to happen so we did this so it does". I really dislike the slapdash treatment of time travel. contrast it wkth unequivocally harder sci fi like in Primer

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Were Braxton and company part of the Department of Temporal Investigations?

No, although the DTI works closely with its successor agencies "uptime" - the Temporal Integrity Commission from the 29th century ("Relativity") and the...whichever one Daniels from ENT works for.

As far as I know, when two or more of these agencies have conflicting goals, the agency furthest uptime predominates, jurisdictionally speaking.

in both episodes involving the time cops trying to fix a problem, it turned out that the problem was actually caused by the time cops themselves.

To be fair, Braxton (I assume this is who you're referring to) was clearly a rogue element. His fellow TIC agents got involved to investigate the mess that he caused. It wasn't the whole TIC that ended up causing the problem....just him.

 

[The Wormhole]

The spore tech is both space and time altering.

The spore drive has nothing to do with time travel, and was developed completely independent of time travel. The existence of spore drive does not require the involvement of the time cops or even 23rd century DTI at all.

The point is, lots of things may happen -- that's why there are time cops.

But as nothing in this storyline involved time travel, all this exists outside of the purview and jurisdiction of the time cops.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Then again, I suppose the TIC or Daniels' org - far as I know, the DTI doesn't exist yet as of DSC's time - might get involved, due to the fact that Discovery jumped ahead 9 months. Although they probably won't (unless the ship jumps back again and there's a reset).

The point is that the time agencies don't have any reason to care about the MU as such.

 

[The Wormhole]

Nah, a one-way jump forward isn't enough for them to get involved.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I saw this thread and only had one question:

Can we please get JCVD for season two?

 

[Dukhat]

To be fair, Braxton (I assume this is who you're referring to) was clearly a rogue element. His fellow TIC agents got involved to investigate the mess that he caused. It wasn't the whole TIC that ended up causing the problem....just him.

The time cops didn't know that Braxton was the culprit until after the fact. Heck, Braxton didn't even know he was the culprit. When there are breaches of "time security" so serious that even the people in charge of policing it could potentially be the problem, then one must question the validity of having such an organization in the first place.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Every organization has its rogue elements. Doesn't invalidate the entire existence OF that organization.

 

[The Wormhole]

Although, in Future's End they did botch the investigation into the temporal explosion that caused 29th century Earth's destruction and set into motion the very events that led to that outcome.