How could they have made DISC fit in more with THE CAGE?

[Tuskin38]

It has. The MU episodes put it firmly in prime timeline by putting it in the same reality as both The tholian web and In the mirror darkly

Not really, they could have easily passed into the same MU as those two episode, but could have originated from another similar reality as prime.

Now if Discovery was set after Tholian Web and they made reference to the Defiant disappearing, that would be a more solid link.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Not really, they could have easily passed into the same MU as those two episode, but could have originated from another similar reality as prime.

No, i mean they state the Defiant comes from thier quantum reality. And they on screen reference in a mirror Darkly.

 

[Tuskin38]

No, i mean they state the Defiant comes from thier quantum reality. And they on screen reference in a mirror Darkly.

Oh right, I forgot about that part.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Oh right, I forgot about that part.

And In they also talk about events of TheTholian Web and no one ever argued that the events of In a mirror darkly were not connected to prime. As such that puts DSC firmly in prime on screen.

 

[The Wormhole]

Discovery should have given the men bare midriffs.

Or just no shirts at all.

On a more serious note, and building off what I was saying earlier about these MU episodes not sexualizing the female cast, it is interesting to note this iteration of the MU we're seeing on Discovery is actually showing the most women in authority in all Trek. Georgiou is the Emperor, Tilly is Captain of Discovery, Michael Captain of the Shenzhou with Detmer as her XO. Meanwhile, the male characters don't seem to be doing so well. Saru is a slave, Stamets is presumably equal to his other self, and Lorca is a fugitive making a play for the Imperial Throne. The only male captain we've seen on active duty so far was killed quickly enough.

I guess it is easy for me to see Discovery as an alternate timeline because I love alternate timelines/alternate history.

For me, it's mostly that by being in a different timeline, it allows more freedom. The Klingon war for example, obviously burns itself out and the Federation and the Klingons go back to sabre rattling until Errand of Mercy. Spore drive obviously gets abandoned and thrown in the same warehouse as the Genesis device or Warp 10 someday end up. While I know that even if it were acknowledged to be a different timeline wouldn't mean the Klingons would defeat the Federation or anything silly like that, it does allow the storyline move any direction they want to take it, which IMO would make things a bit more interesting. Not to mention, a different timeline would allow them to bring the Romulans into the show which apparently the writers want to do anyway.

 

[Tuskin38]

And they on screen reference in a mirror Darkly.

I already said they could have passed into the MU from that episode, but originated from somewhere else. Same MU different Prime.

But that was before you brought up the fact they confirmed it was the same quantum reality.

 

[The Wormhole]

And since the quantum signatures of the Prime Universe and Disco universe, that line isn't really evidence of anything.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

I already said they could have passed into the MU from that episode, but originated from somewhere else. Same MU different Prime.

But that was before you brought up the fact they confirmed it was the same quantum reality.

Yeah, I like the idea of a few MU's. But we have firmly established this is the one the Defiant came into. The Fun thing is, is the one the Defiant landed in, the same one The Enterprise crew landed. I mean it could be another one or the Defiant could have changed events enough to change the timeline of the MU. Or maybe its the same and it will play out as it always did.

 

[BillJ]

For me, it's mostly that by being in a different timeline, it allows more freedom. The Klingon war for example, obviously burns itself out and the Federation and the Klingons go back to sabre rattling until Errand of Mercy. Spore drive obviously gets abandoned and thrown in the same warehouse as the Genesis device or Warp 10 someday end up. While I know that even if it were acknowledged to be a different timeline wouldn't mean the Klingons would defeat the Federation or anything silly like that, it does allow the storyline move any direction they want to take it, which IMO would make things a bit more interesting. Not to mention, a different timeline would allow them to bring the Romulans into the show which apparently the writers want to do anyway.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. They've created a show that can't have any kind of impact on the universe-at-large. They have to put all the toys back in the box the way they found them. Which is beyond disappointing.

It is essentially a $102 million dollar Pocket Books novel.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

And since the quantum signatures of the Prime Universe and Disco universe, that line isn't really evidence of anything.

It is. Its the same ship from both The tholian web and In the mirror darkly.

 

[The Wormhole]

It is. Its the same ship from both The tholian web and In the mirror darkly.

And what, those events can't happen more than once in the grand tapestry of the Multiverse? Even the Kelvin Timeline comics acknowledged there are multiple realities in which Romulus was destroyed in the 24th century and Spock and Nero of those realities go back and create a new branching timeline. But no, according to you there is only one time the Defiant crossed universes?

That is horseshit. Pure and unadulterated.

 

[Tuskin38]

That is horseshit. Pure and unadulterated.

The creative heads behind Discovery are writing it as if the show takes place in the same reality as the other series.

This has been shown time and time again with references and connections.

The visuals have just been updated to fit with a 21st century audiences view of the future.

 

[BillJ]

I'd have to rewatch. But how exactly would they know the quantum signature of the Defiant since they weren't able to scan it. All they had was a Klingon memory module.

 

[The Wormhole]

"References" don't prove a damn thing. And we all know TPTB are only saying "Prime Universe" because it's some sort of magic word for a disturbingly large percentage of fandom.

I'd have to rewatch. But how exactly would they know the quantum signature of the Defiant since they weren't able to scan it. All they had was a Klingon memory module.

That is an excellent point.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'd have to rewatch. But how exactly would they know the quantum signature of the Defiant since they weren't able to scan it. All they had was a Klingon memory module.

It was probably included in the data.

 

[Tuskin38]

"References" don't prove a damn thing.

They prove everything. What is canon but not references and connection to previous or future events?

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. They've created a show that can't have any kind of impact on the universe-at-large. They have to put all the toys back in the box the way they found them. Which is beyond disappointing.

It is essentially a $102 million dollar Pocket Books novel.

This is why I'm hoping that the showrunners just come out and say it's a new timeline. There would be a lot less bitching about why things look different for one, but also give the showrunners freedom to do whatever they want. At the same time, events that occurred in the 'prime' timeline could still happen in Discovery's timeline. Pike can still be in command of the Enterprise in 2255, and it can still go on it's five year mission under Kirk in 2265.

 

[Tuskin38]

I wouldn't care if they said it was a different timeline, that's fine with me.

But until they do I taking them at their word that it is prime.

I would honestly prefer it to be in another timeline so they could have a little more wiggle room in the story telling.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

And what, those events can't happen more than once in the grand tapestry of the Multiverse? Even the Kelvin Timeline comics acknowledged there are multiple realities in which Romulus was destroyed in the 24th century and Spock and Nero of those realities go back and create a new branching timeline. But no, according to you there is only one time the Defiant crossed universes?

That is horseshit. Pure and unadulterated.

They pure up show on screen ( one a tablet) that the events of In a mirror darkly Happened in this MU. They also Reference The Thorin web, and pure up state its the same ship and same reality as the ship in both those episodes. You guys keep shifting here, you claim the people behind the scenes word does not count and you need to see it on screen. I just showed you where it pure up states it on screen and you act like that does not count.

On screen it is now firmly stabled as the same reality as the one seen in both The tholian web and In a mirror Darkly came from. Its a done deal on screen at this point.

 

[BillJ]

It was probably included in the data.

It just seems like a very peculiar thing to be in the data, especially when you have to work under the assumption that the entire thing was kept very secret in order for the universe to unfold the same way. Also, why would that quantum signature even be a big deal a century later that it would be included in a Klingon memory core?

A lot of tap dancing has to be done...