How could they have made DISC fit in more with THE CAGE?

[BillJ]

I think the new sets look great so I'm glad they went that route instead of trying to replicate something from the 60s. That works great for STC but not for something on a major streaming service.

I'm not saying replicate. They didn't replicate the bridges chairs. They used the original design as a starting point and updated it. I find the new sets pretty uninspired, to be honest. They look far more like a soundstage dressed up than any of the other Starfleet bridge sets we've been given.

The Discovery bridge actually throws me completely out of the story (the rest of the ship interiors are decent enough). The Shenzhou is better, only because it is so dark you really can't tell what is going on.

 

[DigificWriter]

Because it is supposed to be the "Prime" timeline.

And your point is?

Visuals don't determine Discovery's setting; its narrative does.

 

[BillJ]

Visuals don't determine Discovery's setting; its narrative does.

I see nothing in the narrative that makes it the Prime timeline.

 

[DigificWriter]

I see nothing in the narrative that makes it the Prime timeline.

Then you're not really paying attention.

 

[BillJ]

Then you're not really paying attention.

Why don't you tell me what it the narrative makes it definitively in the same timeline as "The Cage"?

 

[DigificWriter]

The presence of Sarek and Mudd, for starters, but also direct references to the USS Enterprise, Spock, Star Trek: The Animated Series, the TOS episode The Tholian Web, and the ENT episode In a Mirror, Darkly.

Granted, a couple of those things could transcend timelines, but the ways in which they're referenced are specific to the Prime Timeline and ONLY the Prime Timeline.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Make all the men drunks who patronize women.

 

[BillJ]

The presence of Sarek and Mudd, for starters, but also direct references to the USS Enterprise, Spock, Star Trek: The Animated Series, the TOS episode The Tholian Web, and the ENT episode In a Mirror, Darkly.

Granted, a couple of those things could transcend timelines, but the ways in which they're referenced are specific to the Prime Timeline and ONLY the Prime Timeline.

You realize when they reboot Superman, Lex Luthor, Perry White, Lois Lane, the Daily Planet are all still there? That isn't indicative of anything other than use of the pieces already in the toy box. How are they referenced that make them specific to the Prime timeline? So we're going to move from strong women to women like Uhura where whenever there's danger they go on about being frightened? We're going to move from Klingons who can barely speak their own language to eloquent English speakers like Kor, Koloth, Kang, Martok, Chang, Kruge, Gowron and the rest in about eight years? We're going to have Spock as a member of Starfleet who was serving during a war where cloaking devices were used en-mass to speaking of them in eight years time as "theoretical"? We're going to go from men who look to respect the women around them to officers who call fellow officers and diplomats "girls" in eight years time?

I can go on all day...

The only thing that makes Discovery "Prime" is CBS saying it is. There's nothing in the narrative that makes it remotely Prime.

 

[Tuskin38]

You realize when they reboot Superman, Lex Luthor, Perry White, Lois Lane, the Daily Planet are all still there? That isn't indicative of anything other than use of the pieces already in the toy box. How are they referenced that make them specific to the Prime timeline? So we're going to move from strong women to women like Uhura where whenever there's danger they go on about being frightened? We're going to move from Klingons who can barely speak their own language to eloquent English speakers like Kor, Koloth, Kang, Martok, Chang, Kruge, Gowron and the rest in about eight years? We're going to have Spock as a member of Starfleet who was serving during a war where cloaking devices were used en-mass to speaking of then in eight years time as "theoretical"? We're going to go from men who look to respect the women around them to officers who call fellow officers and diplomats "girls" in eight years time?

I can go on all day...

The Defiant going back in time to the mirror universe is a Prime Universe event.

 

[KAPLINGON]

Make all the men drunks who patronize women.

So... Gabriel?

 

[BillJ]

The Defiant going back in time to the mirror universe is a Prime Universe event.

That doesn't make Discovery a part of the Prime universe, anymore than it means that the Defiant was constructed in the Mirror universe. The Mirror universe with a hundred year head start should be much more technologically advanced, which it may be as we got some glimpses of technological changes. Including Georgiou's "spinner" and the improved agony booths. Though it means that the Mirror universe we are seeing can't the same one from TOS.

Just like Discovery can't be the same universe as TOS. Because they seem to be technologically on par with the revamped Mirror universe. And the Klingons seem to be at a totally different tech level.

 

[Tuskin38]

The agony Booths don't seem improved to me. They just changed the visual effect up, it's still reddish.

 

[BillJ]

The agony Booths don't seem improved to me. They just changed the visual effect up, it's still reddish.

Or Georgiou's ship which looks to have captured some kind of stellar phenomenon to power it.

 

[DigificWriter]

That doesn't make Discovery a part of the Prime universe

 

[Tuskin38]

The mirror enterprise could have easily been a backwater ship, not a a front-line ship.

 

[BillJ]

You give up because you can't refute the points I've brought up. The show simply isn't remotely Prime. At least not the Prime universe I grew up with. It doesn't make the show good or bad, it just is what it is.

 

[BillJ]

The mirror enterprise could have easily been a backwater ship, not a a front-line ship.

So they (Terran Empire Starfleet) built a ship in 2245 (roughly) to spec with a ship they had captured a century prior?

 

[DigificWriter]

You give up because you can't refute the points I've brought up.

I
No, I give up because you refuse to accept reality and it's therefore pointless to argue with you.

 

[BillJ]

No, I give up because you refuse to accept reality and it's therefore pointless to argue with you.

The reality is that it was never going to line up with a show made 50+ years ago. Society, technology and what people expect from entertainment has simply changed too much. It would be like trying to make a modern prequel to the 1950's Superman series.

It is like someone buying the idea of the Dark Knight trilogy as a prequel to the 1960's Batman series. Sure, the broad strokes line up, but they are two productions of very specific times.

 

[The Wormhole]

I don't care what the party line is, but Discovery is not the Prime Universe, and aside from recycling names, no real attempt is being made by the show to be part of the Prime Universe.

The presence of Sarek and Mudd,

There really isn't anything about Sarek and Harry Mudd that is unique to them. They could have used any other Vulcan or any other sleazebag in their place and nothing would be different. They're just name recognition for the fans.

but also direct references to the USS Enterprise

So Michael telling Tilly about serving on a "Constitution class starship like the Enterprise" is 100% proof positive this is the Prime Universe? Because, we've kind of been following the adventures of another Constitution class Enterprise for the past nine years which is confirmed to be in a different timeline.