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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x07 - "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad"

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Zombie Cheerleader said:
It's a TV show owned by CBS. That's all the proof I need.
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I need more than that. They need to say it. Most sites I visit refer to the animated series as "questionable canon". I wouldn't treat something inbetween canon and non-canon as a fact. Therefore I say since we don't know if it's canon it is not considered canon.
 
Romulan_spy said:
- The episode seemed to leave a lot for the viewer to fill in. The time loop was only 30 minutes yet Mudd can go around killing the captain, hack the computer, and do a bunch of other stuff. And how did Mudd hack the computer so easily? And in one loop, we see Mudd come out of the space whale but apparently in the other loop, he beams aboard instead. In one loop, we see Mudd already walking around the ship, in another loop, he is on the bridge. In another loop, he is in Lorca's ready room. Also, we are left to assume that Stamets was briefing Burnham each loop on what happened because towards the end of the episode, Burnham just suddenly knows a bunch of stuff as if the loop was not erasing her memory. The episode seemed to jump around a lot, not just to a new time loop but to different points in the loop.
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He was learning and changing his tactics. That's why in the second loop they showed, she mentioned detecting a transporter beam from inside the space whale. He probably did at least 60 loops, and was learning more and getting quicker each time.
 
Lucifer Sam said:
I think the party perfectly illustrates everything wrong with this show.

It's trying so hard not be "Star Trek." So it dresses itself up in club decor and music from the early 2000s. And has all the characters interact and speak like they were written by people who haven't been to a party since the early 2000s.
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FYI - 'Stayin' Alive' was not from the 'early 2000's BTW - more from the 'Disco' era of the mid-late 1970ies (specifically 1977); and I'm surer using that type of music was an in joke by the production team here which was hilarious (IMO) and went verty well with the 'Disco' crew shirts. Just saying. ;)

Personally I'll take this version of parties over the stuffy concerts and poetry readings from TNG that made it seem set in the 18th century, :ack::rommie:
 
"Yesteryear" is considered canon, as was Robert April even before DSC made him fully official by showing his name in a live-action series, but pretty much everything else in TAS is either apocryphal or very dodgy as canon.
 
A solid 9, much of it for Burnham's journey of Discovery. Raiin as Mudd and the integration of Stella were nothing to sneeze at either. And Marvin Gaye mood music for the Tyler-Burnham slow dance scene. Definite rewatch tomorrow.

Edit: Al Green.... not Marvin Gaye... I think.
 
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marsh8472 said:
I didn't know Harry Mudd is the type of guy to casually murder people. I didn't get that impression from TOS. A thief and annoyance but not a murderer
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He knew that he was in a time loop that reset itself every 30 minutes, so he could do whatever he wanted with no repercussions in the real world (see: Bill Murray in Groundhog Day). Basically, it was a video game to him. As soon as the timeline started moving again, he became a chickenshit who was intimidated by Stella.
 
Tuskin38 said:
I like maps

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And looking at this again, the sector lines are "off", too. Mandel and company set it up so that, for our region of the Orion Arm, the Sol-Galactic Core line - as I mentioned already - marks the Alpha-Beta border. Also, it's the X-Y-Z "zero point", such that sector boundary lines should be appearing with every twenty light-years of additional distance from Sol in each axis.
 
Ghouleddie74 said:
"Yesteryear" is considered canon, as was Robert April even before DSC made him fully official by showing his name in a live-action series, but pretty much everything else in TAS is either apocryphal or very dodgy as canon.
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That line of thinking ended ten years ago for CBS. As far as they are concerned, TAS is Star Trek as seen on TV or the movie screen, and thus canon. What we think about it is irrelevant. That it allows the present day writers to use those concepts is a boon for us however. With the known exception of the Kzinti, which are still going to belong to Larry Niven, and will probably not return to Star Trek without some serious money changing hands.
 
DEWLine said:
And looking at this again, the sector lines are "off", too. Mandel and company set it up so that, for our region of the Orion Arm, the Sol-Galactic Core line - as I mentioned already - marks the Alpha-Beta border. Also, it's the X-Y-Z "zero point", such that sector boundary lines should be appearing with every twenty light-years of additional distance from Sol in each axis.
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I'm kinda ok with map depicted on the show as being a bit 'off'. It always irked me that Earth was basically bisected between the alpha and beta quadrants.
 
Zombie Cheerleader said:
No one cares what sites you visit say. None of them own Star Trek.
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Irrelevant. There's nothing on the CBS or Star Trek website that is conclusive enough to conclude that they made the Animated Series canon. People are just spreading propaganda and putting words into CBS's mouth that it's canon. Let them make a statement the way Disney did when they changed Star Wars canon.
 
There was concept art for a Kzinti vessel that was commissioned had ENT been renewed for a fifth season but once the series was killed off the conceptual drawings got buried for a while. It looks as if the Kzinti (or at least a reimagined 21st century live-action version of them) may well have been planned for Enterprise and their introduction could have tied in with the start of the Earth-Romulan War. How that would have played out is anyone's guess.
 
marsh8472 said:
Irrelevant. There's nothing on the CBS or Star Trek website that is conclusive enough to conclude that they made the Animated Series canon. People are just spreading propaganda and putting words into CBS's mouth that it's canon. Let them make a statement the way Disney did when they changed Star Wars canon.
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Incorrect. That is was added back into CBS's list of canon shows should be all the proof needed. But in addition to this, they are using elements of TAS in Star Trek today and have been since at least Star Trek (2009). As well as writers using elements of it in ENT and in others places after Roddenberry's death and his lawyer not having any say in the matter anymore.
 
marsh8472 said:
Irrelevant. There's nothing on the CBS or Star Trek website that is conclusive enough to conclude that they made the Animated Series canon. People are just spreading propaganda and putting words into CBS's mouth that it's canon. Let them make a statement the way Disney did when they changed Star Wars canon.
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It's on the list of Star Trek Shows at CBS.com.
 
Ghouleddie74 said:
A lot can happen to both Harry and Stella in more than 10 years. Harry was never an egalitarian hero in TOS and was willing to strand 430 Starfleet officers and crewmen on a planet full of androids so that he could steal the Enterprise. Even during "Mudd's Women" he boasted that the dilithium miners on Rigel XII would make he and his ladies so rich that he'd be running the Enterprise and unseat Kirk as Captain. Let's not mince words here: Harry was never a saint nor close to it. Whenever he does good it's to save his own hide and he has to be forced into cooperating with our heroes so as to avoid prison time or worse.

And Stella? In ten years she could easiily become an embittered middle aged woman who resents Harry for running out on her and his father-in-law.
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Harry was also ready to let Kirk's ship run out of power (Mudd's actions being the reason Kirk's ship was in such a state in the first place)
From TOS - "Mudd's Women"
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/4.htm
MUDD: I'm told they have only three days of orbit left before they start spiraling in. I do hate to see you suffering such a situation, Captain, but truth is truth, and the sad fact is you will deal. Sooner or later, you'll have to.
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SPOCK: The storm is ionising the atmosphere, Captain. Getting difficult to probe through it.
SCOTT: Captain, this is draining our batteries further. If we only had those crystals.
KIRK: But we don't! I didn't get any. I should have found a way. Satisfied, Mister Scott?
UHURA: Losing communications with the miners, sir. Magnetic storm seems worse.
KIRK: Has Childress reported in yet?
UHURA: No, sir. He and the girl are still missing.
KIRK: Sorry, Scotty. How much power do we have left?
SCOTT: About five hours, sir.

Captain's log. Have expended all but forty three minutes of power. Ship's condition, critical. Search now in progress seven hours, thirty one minutes. Magnetic storms are easing.
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^^^
Yep, Harry Mudd really cares about others...oh, wait... ;)
 
Ithekro said:
Incorrect. That is was added back into CBS's list of canon shows should be all the proof needed. But in addition to this, they are using elements of TAS in Star Trek today and have been since at least Star Trek (2009).
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The canon database is an unreliable source of information. The statement stands, no conclusive evidence. A stronger statement of authority on the matter is needed. Referencing licensed material into an episode does not make everything in that licensed material canon.
 
And in "Mudd's Passion(TAS)" he basically screws over Christine Chapel and the Enterprise crew with a love potion. He's a real humanitarian, that guy.
 
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